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10/26/2019 12:10 PM  #1


understand a carburation when running

Hi again , problem solved with high idle i take a ride to see how it goes . 
seems fine from zero to half gas pedal , then if i go on ,  stumble and like a machine gun start to bangs quickly . 
Does not accept the pedal to metal , and rpm rise very slowly bucause i cant be too rude with pedal. 
when i try to go fast and car stumble i feel petrol smell in air  . 
I need to lean it or rich ? or change spring hg ? 
Thanks
 

 

10/26/2019 2:44 PM  #2


Re: understand a carburation when running

Do you have a gas leak somewhere that lowers the amount of fuel the carb is getting?  That might explain your symptoms.


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10/27/2019 3:58 AM  #3


Re: understand a carburation when running

lowercasesteve wrote:

Do you have a gas leak somewhere that lowers the amount of fuel the carb is getting?  That might explain your symptoms.

Hi , no leaks and no gas smell at  idle ,  only on load or pedal to metal refuse . 
check sparks and are very dark . seems  too rich . 
just ordered the calibration kit .  As first i will try to lean  and set a different spring hg 

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10/27/2019 7:49 PM  #4


Re: understand a carburation when running

Alessandro.................. Tell us your complete set-up.......... Cam specs......compression.....cu.in........intake....exhaust set-up...etc.  Then we can help you guess!
6sally6


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10/27/2019 8:04 PM  #5


Re: understand a carburation when running

Back to basics, make sure everything else is correct before making big changes. Things like timing, choke action, temperature, …….. And what Carb are you using?

 

10/28/2019 5:10 AM  #6


Re: understand a carburation when running

6sally6 wrote:

Alessandro.................. Tell us your complete set-up.......... Cam specs......compression.....cu.in........intake....exhaust set-up...etc. Then we can help you guess!
6sally6

Yeah , you are so right !  i forgot  to tell the  basics .  1403 edelbrock 500cfm 
289 stock , total rebuild service 1 year ago . Compression ( stated from mechanic should be 10: 1  , but i cant be cert) 
stock intake , stock distributor ,pertonix ignitor , flame thrower coil  , hedman long tubes . I don't know nothin about cam specs then stock . 
By now choke is  counterclock at lean and fast idle screw is out . Now is better than beginnin with dark smoke and too high rpm at start .  
Yesterday i was playing with distributor and strobe light  but suddenly broke and no more flashing !  god  i need a new one ! . 
Before i play with distributor , advance was good for 4100 autolite . 
Using edelbrock 500 seems primaries are fine , but under hard acceleration stall , or stumble . Now comes difficult for me explain due to lack of terms . I can feel at pedal when secondaries opens start problems , seems bangin repetively , not for backfire .  I need to push pedal very slowly or drawn , when i push hard i can feel unburnt gas smell from front . dark coal sparks plug . 
I can barely feel that power is hidden and want to comes out ,  but is not well carburated . Exaust tone now is louder , this means is breathing well . 
For sure i need to set up timing once again and also total vacuum advance . Maybe i have played too much with this two .  
Then i will lean secondaries and springs when i recive calibrating kit, until that i can only do timing . 
thanks !

the 4100 was unbeatable easy to set up and do not give me any issue .  This one was setted lean , spark were clear and mileage really good . 

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10/28/2019 6:53 AM  #7


Re: understand a carburation when running

Don't touch the step up springs.

If you smell gas the carb is too rich.  Are you still running the factory jets and rods?

I run a similar setup and went two steps lean on cruise and power.  BUT, I'm very close to sea level.  If you are higher up you will need less fuel.

You have to get the jets and rods right, then if it still stumbles I would take a look at the accelerator pump.  You can increase the size of the pump shot if its too lean, or decrease it if its too rich. 

 

10/28/2019 7:05 AM  #8


Re: understand a carburation when running

TKOPerformance wrote:

Don't touch the step up springs.

If you smell gas the carb is too rich.  Are you still running the factory jets and rods?

I run a similar setup and went two steps lean on cruise and power.  BUT, I'm very close to sea level.  If you are higher up you will need less fuel.

You have to get the jets and rods right, then if it still stumbles I would take a look at the accelerator pump.  You can increase the size of the pump shot if its too lean, or decrease it if its too rich. 

Yes i am running factory jets rod and step up spring .  Why not touch step up springs ? 
 

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10/28/2019 11:05 AM  #9


Re: understand a carburation when running

In my experience the springs don't do much tuning wise on an engine like yours.  I swapped from the lightest to the stiffest and noticed no difference in how the car ran, so I just put the factory springs back in and left it alone.  The springs should only be a factor if the car has a bigger cam from what I've read. 

I would start leaning the carb out per Edelbrock's instructions.  Lean out the cruise until you get a surge at a steady speed, then go back one step richer.  I would go two steps lean on both cruise and power and see how it runs.  If it improves, but doesn't surge go ahead and go one step leaner.  I found 3 steps caused mine to surge, so I went back to the 2 step combo and it runs and drives great. 

 

11/08/2019 2:05 AM  #10


Re: understand a carburation when running

I just recived the calibrating kit for this 500 cfm edelbrock 1403 . Start to remove the old stuff and surprise surprise was settled for 600 - Rods , and jet .  
You know what : NEVER TRUST SELLER THAT SAYS THAT HAS BEEN OPEN, SET A EDELBROCK KIT AND TEST BEFORE SHIP .  Rods size is also not provided in the tuining kit , comes from quadrajet ( i understand that are same but size not ) 
Probably they never open it  , simply repackage it and sell  as LIKE NEW  ! . 
Now start to retune with leaner rods and jets . 
A lot to learn !   life is hard school

 

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11/10/2019 2:00 AM  #11


Re: understand a carburation when running

Ok , got the calibratng kit and start from leaning rods , jets and secondaries . I am following the edelbrock charts and i am using nr 6  lean . 
its not going bad , there still something wrong with accel pump , but i cant say is going bad . 
Moved the accel  pump bracket from low ( lean ) to center ( stock )  but is going worst , seems stall due to overfill . Need to press pedal very lightly to pass this " uncertain   " moment  , then goes good , feel strong progression in the mid  zone .  Top end seems more flat and long to take .  And no more than 4500 rpm . Engine scream like an eagle ! . 
Now  i have taken  more feelings with edel and seems very easy to tune .  Today i am gonna change something to have a better  response from starts / low rpm . 

Just a question : following edel charts i have matched rods with main jets as described , but can i change only rods and keep same main jets ?  Or this couple  is made as is  and when needed , must change with another couple  defined by edel ?  
Thanks !

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11/10/2019 7:07 AM  #12


Re: understand a carburation when running

did another attempt with 1 step rich metering rod . same jets . blue springs ( lighter ) Set the accel pump bracket at lower . Ride is better without previous uncertain moment of  stall .  Is better transition moment .  Then rpm  rise up good  with some / little backfiring or misfiring . Top end is almost flat but i think can give better  . The secondary jets do have part in this ?  now mine are 089  and stock shoud be 095 . need to go bigger ?
Thanks ! 

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11/10/2019 8:20 AM  #13


Re: understand a carburation when running

What's the elevation where you live?

 

11/10/2019 2:07 PM  #14


Re: understand a carburation when running

josh-kebob wrote:

What's the elevation where you live?

111  foot . so i think not important 

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11/11/2019 5:15 PM  #15


Re: understand a carburation when running

Rods and jets should be matched per Edelbrock's chart.  Sometimes you can just change the rod and go 1 step leaner or richer depending.  I would not deviate from their pairings of rods and jets or I think you ask for trouble. 

089 jets should be good.  That's what I run primary and secondary.  But what rod is in them?

 

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