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10/22/2019 9:20 AM  #1


Flexible brake hoses

Doing rear disc brakes finally. šŸ˜
Along the the lines of being able to find factory replacement parts.

What factory brake lines will go from 2016 rear calipers (banjo) to 3/8-24 inverted flare without adapter fittings?

Apparently 2016 rear(as well as front) brakes use a 10mm x 1.5 on body side of factory hoses.

Doing some brief searching yesterday, about all I could find are GM METRIC CALIPERS applications with that fitting size.

Is Ford the only one using this size on 2015 newer brakes?

Last edited by Nos681 (10/22/2019 9:21 AM)

 

10/22/2019 10:17 AM  #2


Re: Flexible brake hoses

3/8 and 10 mm banjos interchange so you can widen your search.Ā  You just need to use the correct bolt for the banjo.Ā  The copper washers also interchange.Ā  I gave up on maintaining the one flex hose position on mine and hung two flex hoses from the frame to the calipers.Ā  I have exhaust and rear suspension (TCP) interference that limited where I could put an original style hose.Ā  Summit sells a variety of aftermarket stainless flex hoses in any length with your choice of ends and they are sometimes cheaper than factory parts.Ā  Do some searches on techniques people have used to install these hoses to the axle tube or spring plates.

 

10/22/2019 10:43 AM  #3


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I bought factory hoses for the rear disksĀ then cut the brake tubingĀ to install the corresponding fitting for the hoseĀ and flared accordingly. For me, the flares used on the newer cars, double?, were easier to make.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

10/22/2019 12:57 PM  #4


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I did get the factory hoses that came with the 2016 rear calipers.
The vehicle side is the odd ball fitting as mentioned.
Iā€™m guessing each line goes to ABS unit on 2016ā€™s too.
Threaded fitting on hose is 90 degrees from hose length.

Last edited by Nos681 (10/22/2019 1:14 PM)

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10/22/2019 1:54 PM  #5


Re: Flexible brake hoses

back when I was doing brake stuff, I was able to get custom brake lines to my spec from CPP.Ā  Not expensive and they came in only a few days.Ā  Much faster than me getting the parts and learning how to do my own.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

10/22/2019 4:18 PM  #6


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I mounted -3AN to 3/16ā€ inverted flare female adapters to some brackets I got from Jegā€™s.  Actually welded the brackets to the adapters so I never have to use a second wrench when tightening the hoses.   Then measured for hose length and ordered some from Summit.

Like Gary said, 3/8ā€ banjo size on the caliper end and -3AN on the axle end.  But use correct banjo threads for the calipers. I used a 69 Mustang center hose.  On my truck, I ran the caliper hoses directly to each frame rail, eliminating the center hose like Gary did. It makes a cleaner installation, but my Mustang was already plumbed with the 69 center hose.


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10/22/2019 4:19 PM  #7


Re: Flexible brake hoses




Pics of 66 install.
IMO... only downside of the 2015-2019 GT rear calipers.  Those two extraneous ears on the caliper mounts are unsightly.  The v6 and I4 slightly smaller rear brakes are better looking. Have not verified if they fit the MustangSteve GT2015-RSM or RLG brackets.

Last edited by MS (10/22/2019 4:23 PM)


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10/22/2019 7:53 PM  #8


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Thanks everyone!
Now I can see the big picture when I step back.

I still have everything apart...darn rain.
I will look at both plumbing options.

On the caliper ears you mentioned...for strength and noise dampening possibly?
The calipers I purchased were the dark cast color so itā€™s not as noticeable.
I bought them because they were a deal with hoses, removed at hardline, and no damage.

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10/22/2019 8:05 PM  #9


Re: Flexible brake hoses

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10/23/2019 8:40 AM  #10


Re: Flexible brake hoses

The factory hoses are too long to use unless you run them up to the frame rails on each side. That is probably best to do anyway. Then just run new hard lines to each frame rail.


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10/23/2019 11:07 AM  #11


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Yea, those do look to be longer than what I bought. Must have been because of they ear model I used.

IMG_1690


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

10/23/2019 11:49 AM  #12


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Ears may be used in the machining process, just a guess without a closer inspection.
Iā€™d just cut the suckers off.
Donā€™t forget to paint the calipers red or yellow


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10/23/2019 4:28 PM  #13


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I just installed these on my rear calipers. They don't come in a shorter size so you have to put a loop into it if your welding the tab to the ubolt.

JEGS DOT Brake Hose Kit Fits GM Metric (D154) Calipers

DOT Brake Hose Kit


  • Fits GM Metric (D154) Calipers
  • 10mm Banjo to 3/8"-24 Inverted Flare Female Swivel
  • Fits: 3/16" Brake Lines
  • Use on Front or Rear
  • 18" Long Hoses
  • 10mm x 1.5 Banjo Bolts & Crush Washers
  • Weld-On Brake Tabs & Clips


Ā 

Last edited by Dbfire (10/23/2019 4:28 PM)

 

10/23/2019 5:20 PM  #14


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I really appreciate all of the help.
Pictures make it easier to see routing and length of hose and options for plumbing.
If it werenā€™t for WYAIT syndrome...axle, axle housing inside and out, leaf springs, mounting brackets, etc.
Iā€™d probably have this thing back to together today before snow hits the ground again.šŸ˜‚

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10/23/2019 6:55 PM  #15


Re: Flexible brake hoses

You say "without adapter fittings" but the 10mm to 3/8" conversion fittings are very common.

 

10/23/2019 8:39 PM  #16


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Sometimes (!!) it is better to get correct length hoses rather than install brake components in compromised condition/position.


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11/01/2019 11:13 PM  #17


Re: Flexible brake hoses

MS wrote:

The factory hoses are too long to use unless you run them up to the frame rails on each side. That is probably best to do anyway. Then just run new hard lines to each frame rail.

I finally found time to do as you suggested.
Route is as follows.
Rear line tee above pinion.
Hard lines run under rear seat (along seam to transition over axle).
Factory flex run to frame rails just aft of axle bumpers.

Will I have issues with bleeding brakes?
The hard line follows frame rails from under the seats.

Btw, I tried a 69 center hose...I have offset/offset mufflers which put the exhaust where flex connects.


Ā 

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11/02/2019 7:10 AM  #18


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Sounds good.  One thing I always consider with rear brake lines is WILL A FAILED REAR UJOINT CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BRAKE LINES?


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11/02/2019 7:56 AM  #19


Re: Flexible brake hoses

I did think about that as well as a failed tire flopping around in wheel well.

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11/02/2019 10:35 AM  #20


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Here is option #476..,

Crown will make you whatever type of brake hose you can imagine.  And it isnā€™t really much more expensive than off the shelf hoses.


http://www.crownperformance.com/

Iā€™d attach a photo, but I canā€™t figure out how to do it from a mobile device

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11/04/2019 5:07 PM  #21


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Thanks all for the help and suggestions.
I really appreciate it.

On a side note, since I was under the car for so long...

Those that have talked about linear actuator placement.
2016 rear GT brakes would work great if you swapped left and right calipers.
Yes, calipers would be in front of axle.
Then mount linear actuator in front of gas tank.


I wandered in the salvage yard today and actually looked at that setup on a Ford 500.
Noticed that factory had nylon/plastic bushings as guides for cable routing too.
And uses similar brake cable attachments like the Mustang.

I think they are neat except when they fail to release.
Just keep that in mind.
Or at least some override system.

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11/05/2019 9:07 AM  #22


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Yes, the 2015 and later GT rear brakes can be mounted either in front or in rear of the axle using the MustangSteve brackets.


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11/06/2019 3:30 PM  #23


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Rudi. What pictures would ya need to evaluate the caliper ears?
Havenā€™t mounted mine yet...maybe today.

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11/06/2019 3:51 PM  #24


Re: Flexible brake hoses

Nos681 wrote:

Rudi. What pictures would ya need to evaluate the caliper ears?
Havenā€™t mounted mine yet...maybe today.

Ā 
I would look for any witness marks on the ears that indicated they had been clamped in a holding fixture or jig.
My AOD transmission has two ears on each side that are used to locate  housing during itā€™s manufacture.
A good inspection could tell you if the ears are needed in its final form and function.

Last edited by Rudi (11/06/2019 3:52 PM)


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11/06/2019 4:29 PM  #25


Re: Flexible brake hoses

When I looked at them the other day, I didnā€™t notice any clamp marks.
Looked like factory casting.
I thought that they may be used to dampen brake noise.

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