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11/17/2019 10:15 PM  #1


65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

I have the cluster coming ..  needs a new bezel and lense .. ordering that .. and the glove box door.
questions ::

What are electrical modifications required ..? (Right and left turn signal..?)
What are the mechanical fitment mods required ? Any advice ?

Should I go with LED brighter lights from CJ? Or something else y’all recommend?

Any other thing I’m not thinking of?


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11/18/2019 9:50 AM  #2


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Mechanical:  I seem to recall that you will need to do a little cutting/grinding to form a radius at the bottom of the cluster opening to allow the five instrument cluster to fit...but maybe if it's a later 65 that may not be necessary.

Electrical:  You will be adding a sweep oil pressure gauge and an amp meter so you'll need to change the OP sender and if you keep the amp meter you'll need to add the necessary wiring.  I would recommend keeping the  Alternator idiot light and replacing the Amp meter with a Voltmeter.  I believe there is at least one "how to" for this on the forum.  I found a modern VM with a top-swing needle that I was able to adapt to the body of the cluster.  Then I drew up and printed a set of overlays so the dial faces would match each other.  They aren't exactly like the stock design but are very close.
The stock amp meter is a "shunt" type and only responds to a small representative amount of the current between the alternator B+ post and the battery.  Two 16 ga wires are used in the stock harness to connect one side of the amp meter to the alternator and to the battery side of the solenoid.  This circuit is parallel to the main wire that directly connects the alternator B+ lug to the solenoid.  With this type of connection the amp meter will not show much unless the battery is way down on charge (positive deflection) or the alternator is not working (negative deflection).  In my opinion, a good voltmeter combined with an idiot light is a better way to go as it will alert you to a failed alternator an also indicate if normal system voltage (14.5 volts or so) is present during normal operation.

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11/18/2019 10:09 AM  #3


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Bullet Bob.. Here are some followup questions:

I thought the oil sender was the same ? if not, no problem I will buy one..

While I dont want to change out the guages, but I am open to it if necessary.. Something to note here , that the alternator I have is a 3G with the PA performace idiot light adapter they sell (which isnt working really well right now, some connection issue) but, all that to say, will the ammeter not work at all as is with this 3G setup? If I gotta change that stuff out to a Voltmeter, I will definitely need your overlays if you have them and then buy the guage you did and adapt it in.. 

With the wirinng harness I have ... I probably do not have the ammeter wiring, and the turn signal wiring there to connect to the GT cluster... If lets say I just use a VOltmeter there instead of the ammeter as you are suggesting, what changes do I need to do to the harness for the two turn signals to seperate?

I am excited for this little project.. (to get rid of the mechanical oil guage , temp guage, and voltmeter guage hanging under the AC, and go fully stock guage setup.. I realize.. I need less data :D

 


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11/19/2019 2:29 PM  #4


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Have you seen JamesW's site.  Amazing car....
http://midnightdsigns.com/james/Installing%20Gauges.htm

 

11/19/2019 5:27 PM  #5


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Gaba,  I've done the cluster swap on my 65 and did not have to cut any metal out of the dash.  The lower metal "tab" have to be slightly bent and after doing so, the cluster will go in. I tell you that so you can do a similar test fit rather than firing up your cutting grinder. If you need any more info or pics, send me a PM

 

11/21/2019 1:34 PM  #6


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

a couple more things... 65 GT cluster has a different ammeter than the 66 cluster, and the under dash harness is slightly different between 65GT & 66.  Neither 65 nor 66 ammeters are known for their longevity.

MS did a nice write up on getting a functional ammeter in the tips & how-to's section of this site.  Maybe we could get MS to update his tip with new pics, now that tinypics is defunct.

 

11/21/2019 4:00 PM  #7


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Tim is correct about ammeters.
My 65 has an inductive loop to sense current.
The battery lead to fuse box runs through loop to sense current flow.
No physical electrical connection at all.

Or is that mechanical connection?😂

Last edited by Nos681 (11/21/2019 4:07 PM)

 

11/21/2019 6:15 PM  #8


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

For turn signals, your 65 cluster has two wires going to the single indicator. Just deparate the two wires. One then powers the L indicator and one powers the R terminal.

Ammeter wiring is a major PITA and the ammeters don’t work worth a darn anyway. Go check out the aftermarket ammeter I made for Al McGee since he is nearby. But, a voltmeter is much more useful.  Ammetee is not worth the effort since the needle never moves anyway. On Cara’s 65 coupe, years ago, I just let the ammeter gauge take up space and installed a red indicator light behind the slots of the heater switch so it would show through the slots as a bright red light in the unlikely event the warning light ever actually got illuminated.  It never did as long as we owned it.

Oil pressure gauge requires sender for gauge, not idiot light. Gas gauge and temperature gauges use same senders and wiring as the 65.


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11/21/2019 7:02 PM  #9


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

I have found it!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.rccinnovations.com/index.php?show=menu-volt-all


A person who takes your core and converts it Voltmeters , still staying all stock loom, you choose if you want it to read Amp on the face or Volts , but the meter reads volts!! Yaay!!! I think this will make like super easy!

And he is in Texas , although I wish I had time to go visit him..


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11/21/2019 8:42 PM  #10


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Or buy a cheap voltmeter and gut it and apply the original AMP face to it and rtv it into the cluster. Real cheap.


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11/21/2019 9:18 PM  #11


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Gaba...if you can rebuild a transmission, maximize a Duraspark distributor, you could do this conversion in your sleep.  😁

 

11/22/2019 11:46 AM  #12


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

I agree that you could do this without much heartburn butt (TS&T), for the price of that 66 conversion gage for your five instrument cluster I couldn't justify spending too much time re-inventing now that I've done that once.

BB


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11/22/2019 12:10 PM  #13


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Bullet Bob wrote:

I agree that you could do this without much heartburn butt (TS&T), for the price of that 66 conversion gage for your five instrument cluster I couldn't justify spending too much time re-inventing now that I've done that once.

BB

yeah its not that expensive... lets c

ANother question :

LED bulbs from scott drake worth it?


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11/22/2019 4:27 PM  #14


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

I haven’t used their LED’s, I’ve heard mixed reviews and issues with flickering.
They are a quick fix.
I believe they are over priced for what you get in a kit.
Kit doesn’t always fit all applications.
It will give you reasons to shop for alternatives.😂
Talk to Glen and Steve, they have some great ideas too.
What do ya use with your RC heciliptors?😁

 

11/22/2019 5:59 PM  #15


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Nos681 wrote:

I haven’t used their LED’s, I’ve heard mixed reviews and issues with flickering.
They are a quick fix.
I believe they are over priced for what you get in a kit.
Kit doesn’t always fit all applications.
It will give you reasons to shop for alternatives.😂
Talk to Glen and Steve, they have some great ideas too.
What do ya use with your RC heciliptors?😁

Led strips... for night flying! Steve said the same , either use led strips around the cluster for bright lighting ! Or just bust out the blue inserts and use normal bulbs , that will be plenty bright !

So I’ll stick with that

That 7 led kit for 33 bucks is a bit pricy for  just Small led bulbs


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12/08/2019 8:03 AM  #16


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Gauge needles repainted , ammeter converted to voltmeter !



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12/08/2019 8:04 AM  #17


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Here it is complete

Last edited by Gaba (12/08/2019 8:06 AM)


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12/08/2019 10:25 AM  #18


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Looks great.


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12/08/2019 12:36 PM  #19


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Lew king goood.


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12/08/2019 1:56 PM  #20


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Subtle and low key, just like you.

 

12/08/2019 3:59 PM  #21


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Bearing Bob wrote:

Lew king goood.

   (I might bar-ee that!)
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12/08/2019 6:11 PM  #22


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

A little fun from Chico and The Man. I lurnt from the best


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

12/09/2019 12:05 AM  #23


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

What volt meter did ya use?  And gauge overlay? Looks great! What did you decide on lighting assembly?

Last edited by Nos681 (12/09/2019 12:06 AM)

 

12/09/2019 4:54 AM  #24


Re: 65 sweep style to GT cluster upgrade

Sent my gauge into rccinnovations and he did the work of converting .. could have had an overlay that said AMPS instead of volts and functioned like a Voltmeter , but I opted for Volts. He is reasonable enough in price that I didn’t feel like messing with it

Lighting ... popped off the green lenses and going to keep it stick bulbs . Have heard that is quite bright and if push comes to shove . I’ll illuminate the panel with led strips on the outside .. but I am sure that won’t be necessary

Last edited by Gaba (12/09/2019 4:55 AM)


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