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This is my running good 65 289. Note the small amount of sludge in the pan, no metal particles just this collection. I pulled the pan because the valve train was so clean I wanted to see in the pan and replace the gasket. This is what I found, the washer is steel the rest is plastic like maybe from a carb??? Does anyone have ideas?
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This is just what the pan looked like when I pulled it from the can and set on the bench, A small glob of sludge with some of the gasket in it. this is a 130K motor. I cleaned every spec and fond no metal, but some bitts of the cork gasket and these funny pieces. it runs great, no smoke, no funny sounds. BUT what is the plastic and the keeper from?
Last edited by Cab4word67 (12/01/2019 7:27 PM)
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Sorry you may want to know this motor has never been apart from what I can tell it is a 66 289, 2 barl, with auto trans factory blue I am 2nd owner, Timming chain is tight on one side and about 1/2" play on other in the midle
Last edited by Cab4word67 (12/01/2019 6:54 PM)
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Looks like nylon timing gear pieces and the clip that tries to stop the oil pump drive shaft from pulling outta the pump.
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Don’t know about the plastic pieces, but I agree with Barry on the clip for the oil pump drive shaft.
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OK thanks. I should replace the oil pump and do a time chain then. should the oil pump strainer be flat or tipped up to the rear?
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That's definitely an oil pump driveshaft clip. I would typically replace the oil pump nay time I had the pan off an engine. Its just good/cheap insurance. I would advise buying something name brand like a Melling. SBFs have a good oil system. No need to get a high volume or high pressure pump.
I'm not sure about the plastic bits. The color's wrong for a timing gear. Those gears are Nylon and are a yellowish white color. Oil exposure turns them more yellow over time. Plus, you said the engine runs good, and when those gears break down the engine stops running right. Now, since you already have the pan off I would say go ahead and pull the timing cover and swap to a metal timing set.
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That washer looks like it came off the distributor shaft. I've only rebuilt two motors in my whole life. One was a 289, it seems like there were plastic gauges under the bearings on the crankshaft for torque specs.
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daily driver wrote:
That washer looks like it came off the distributor shaft. I've only rebuilt two motors in my whole life. One was a 289, it seems like there were plastic gauges under the bearings on the crankshaft for torque specs.
This is more likely than my nylon gear guess. But at that mileage, you need a timing set anyway.
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Yep......new timing set too.
By-all-means replace that clip on the oil pump drive shaft. Hard to describe the feeling you get when the distributor is pulled and you hear that that sickening 'clinck' sound of the shaft dropping in the pan. BTDT. Sometimes........it can be retreived butt......not EZ.
MAKE SURE you get that clip on the right side of the shaft too. MAY need to do this with the cam gear removed?!
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Get an ARP driveshaft while you're at it. Stock one is quite puny. Like $20 insurance policy, well worth it.
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So you all say pull the distributor, copy that. Just ordered my timing set and gaskets. Will search for the shaft and clip next.
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Sorry I am a bit confused. there are 2 shafts? one out of the oil pump and one that connects to that one and is connected to the distributor?
is this the ARP one ARP: 154-7904
Last edited by Cab4word67 (12/02/2019 9:28 PM)
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That's the one you need.
Only one shaft, goes between distributor and pump. You can leave the dissy in if you're changing the pump.
Workshop manual shows the procedure.
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Cab4word67 wrote:
Sorry I am a bit confused. there are 2 shafts? one out of the oil pump and one that connects to that one and is connected to the distributor?
is this the ARP one ARP: 154-7904
One shaft. It is a hex shaft one end goes onto the oil pump, the other end up into the bottom of the dist shaft.
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Just in case you don’t know, the clip on the hex shaft will be on the distributor end. It keeps the shaft from pulling up and falling into the oil pan when the distributor is pulled.
I don’t remember how critical it is for the pickup screen to be flat. You should check the distance it is off the pan. I’m not certain of the dimension, so reference a motor manual or go Googling.
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got the new pump and shaft on its way too now. Need to find a better manual than the Hastings. Any recommendations
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3/8"-1/2" clearance to the screen ... parallel to the pan.
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50vert wrote:
3/8"-1/2" clearance to the screen ... parallel to the pan.
Ditto on that.
And the clip on the shaft needs about 0.030” to 0.050” clearance between it and the block so it does not rub the block as it rotates. To check, install it in the oil pump and then bolt the pump to the block. Using two fingers, try to push the shaft upward into the distributor. You should be able to move it up just a little until the clip hits the block. But, you should not be able to move it upward enough where it disengages from the oil pump. I prefer to do this test with distributor removed.
Obviously, the shaft must go in from the bottom.
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One thing on the clip ... the tabs on them are not flat, they're angled one way a bit. I've always faced that "dome" downwards. My thinking being that with upward force (like when pulling the dissy), it would tend to grip the shaft better than the other war around, which would tend to let it slide through the clip.
I've seen that type of clip where the tabs alternate up and down, so not affected by which way they get installed.
Does anyone agree? Nothin worse than hearing that kerplunk, when the shaft hits the pan.
In your pic, it looks like the clip was facing up, and rubbing on the block, like MS says, ya don't want that.
Edit: It coulda been facing down, and when the tab broke it fell to the pump and rattled around. Probably a witness mark somewhere.
Last edited by 50vert (12/03/2019 7:00 PM)
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Looking at the condition of the nylon teeth from the camshaft gear in your oil pan I would be willing to bet that your engine already has a replacement timing chain set on it. It wouldn't run with the stripped cam gear still installed.
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Thank you all. I dont know how the clip got into the pan or off the shaft. I will have to go back into my papers and see if it ever had a distributor or something like that. The pan was never removed from what I can tell looking at the paint on it. I will have to look at the gasket too
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Any recommendations on a good solvent to use in my new parts washer to clean up the old girl?
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Mineral Spirits. Available at hardware or some auto parts stores. Or carb or brake cleaner. It's all toxic stuff so take care.
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If you have a Tractor Supply within driving distance, they have 5 gallon cans of parts washer solvent. It is a high boiling point mineral spirits. Doesn’t evaporate as fast as paint store mineral spirits.
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