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2/06/2020 9:22 PM  #1


New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

I finished the tranny and clutch replacement today in my 66.  McLeod is my new favorite clutch.  I used their dual friction 10.5” setup.  Much smoother than the old dual friction Centerforce clutch.  And as a bonus, tge pedal effort is less.  Not that the centerforce wasn’t as smooth as butter, but this new one is smoother.  Maybe just because it is new...

Another side effect... the pressure plate is apparently thinner than the old one, so I have more clutch cable to work with now. With the centerforce, the cable was barely long enough to adjust.  Now I have 1/2” more cable.

New tranny is much quieter and shifter no longer moves back and forth on its own.


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2/07/2020 8:15 AM  #2


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Does this mean the 66 is now totally finished Steve? 


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

2/07/2020 9:46 AM  #3


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Do you have a part number for the McLeod setup?  I am thinking that your TKO600 has a 26 spline input?  Pedal effort on my hydraulic clutch mock-up is too high with the Valeo pressure plate setup and I'm looking for something that requires a little less effort.  I ran a McLeod dual friction in my FE powered Cobra and it always worked well.

 

2/07/2020 2:10 PM  #4


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Stevo wrote:

Does this mean the 66 is now totally finished Steve?

Maybe for today!!!
 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

2/08/2020 7:41 AM  #5


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Yeah, Centerforce is still making basically the same clutches they've made for decades.  There's something to be said for the "if its ain't broke.." mentality, but I've gone away from Centerforce years ago for the same issues you mention.  I think they came up with a gimmick about those centrifugal weights years ago and no one really bothered to question if that was worth anything or not.  I'm thinking not for two reasons.  First, when their patent expired why did other manufacturers not both copying it?  Second, why do none of the other clutches I've run that don't have them not slip at high RPM?

Today I'd rather use RAM, MCLeod, or SPEC (depending on the application).  There's an old school company called Clutch Masters that also gets great reviews.  No website, no email,  you actually have to call them and speak to a real living person.  They build clutches basically to order, and its not expensive like it sounds. 

 

2/08/2020 8:40 AM  #6


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

TKOPerformance wrote:

Yeah, Centerforce is still making basically the same clutches they've made for decades.  There's something to be said for the "if its ain't broke.." mentality, but I've gone away from Centerforce years ago for the same issues you mention.  I think they came up with a gimmick about those centrifugal weights years ago and no one really bothered to question if that was worth anything or not.  I'm thinking not for two reasons.  First, when their patent expired why did other manufacturers not both copying it?  Second, why do none of the other clutches I've run that don't have them not slip at high RPM?

Today I'd rather use RAM, MCLeod, or SPEC (depending on the application).  There's an old school company called Clutch Masters that also gets great reviews.  No website, no email,  you actually have to call them and speak to a real living person.  They build clutches basically to order, and its not expensive like it sounds. 

The main reason I tried the centerforce clutch was those weights were supposed to help the clutch return at high rpm. With my old King Cobra clutch, shifts done at 6,000 or over resulted in the clutch pedal staying on the floor. That problem went away with the centerforce.  Hopefully that problem does not reappear with the McLeod clutch. With my milder cam I have now, hopefully that never even comes up.

Also, I did have the McLeod balanced before installing it. It was about 6 grams off.

Gary, I will try to find my receipt to get the part number. It was the basic dual friction clutch for 10.5” 26 spline.


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2/08/2020 2:44 PM  #7


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

OK.  I found the part number.  If you had to guess, is the pedal effort with the McLeod better, worse, or the same as the King Cobra?  What I have now is a variant of the KC and just a little too stiff.

Glad you got it balanced.  I don't think I have ever had a pressure plate that was good out of the box.  Every little bit helps to keep things smooth.

 

2/08/2020 3:55 PM  #8


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

I installed a McLeod in mine too. This is the one I used. G-Force recommended it.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/MCL-75207

I don't have any miles on it at all yet, but clutch pedal effort feels very good moving it in the driveway.

Steve-
Did you have to modify your tunnel at all to fit the TKO?

Last edited by Chaplin (2/08/2020 3:57 PM)

 

2/08/2020 4:46 PM  #9


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

I built a new tunnel to raise it up to fit the TKO.  I also moved the tunnel support back about 1-1/4" or so.  Steve may have pictures of his but if I recall, he may have used a 67 tunnel support and then narrowed it on top.  Had I seen that, I would have done the same as the full width impinges on my shifter a bit.  

I'll post some pictures when I can figure out where I hid them.

 

2/08/2020 5:23 PM  #10


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2/08/2020 5:27 PM  #11


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Some of the cross members that are provided with TKO kits set the back of the transmission down at a 5 or 6 degree angle.  I wanted to maintain the stock angle so I decided to raise the tunnel and move the tunnel support back to create clearance for the transmission.  Could have been overkill but it works with no interference.  Also, I wanted to make sure that the cross member sat directly below the mount.  I had to modify my cross member a bit but that was just cutting and re-welding a bit.  Someday I'll actually drive the car to see if all the work paid off.

 

2/08/2020 7:19 PM  #12


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed






This is my modified 67 floor support. I cut it into 21 pieces and welded it back together to fit as I wanted. Lots of work, but satisfied with the result.  My new tunnel, made from the side of an old five ton AC condenser frame, is about 1-1/2” taller than stock.  I custom made the lower crossmember as well. Everything was repositioned to align with the mount pad on the transmission.  Note custom notches for exhaust.
Shifter hole is cut to the side of the tunnel to allow wrench access to shifter bolts.  I used a modified Foxbody lower boot and steel boot frame.  5/16” nuts are welded below the floor to simplify installation.


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2/08/2020 8:43 PM  #13


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

Gary, the pedal effort is less than the King Cobra clutch as well as the Centerforce.  But neither of those was objectionable with the MS cable clutch system.  I suspect your bore sizes are incorrect on the hydraulic setup.  A larger slave piston will make for easier pedal effort.  Or a smaller mc piston would help. You only need 1” total lever arm travel to make the clutch work.


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2/09/2020 6:56 AM  #14


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

I think its more that the King Cobra kind of is what it is.  Its a decent upgrade over a stock clutch, but a true high performance clutch it isn't.

I was banging gears at 7,000 yesterday in my WRX with an ACT clutch and it grabbed every time.  The ACT isn't anything spectacular, but its been a great balance of being smooth, having great grip, and living at least 60k.  AWD cars are a lot tougher to get right, because there's not much slip off the line, and the clutch is loaded a lot more (its the slip, because the tires generally don't).  Point being, just a regular diaphragm style clutch properly designed for the application.  The facings are nothing crazy either.  I had a Kevlar clutch in the thing at one point and pulled it after about 5k miles because it was WAY too aggressive.  Pretty sure ACT just does import stuff, but maybe one day they'll expand. 

 

2/09/2020 7:59 AM  #15


Re: New TKO600 tranny and clutch completed

I've been working with two different master cylinders and have changed my pedal ratios and am really close on pedal effort but if I can reduce it by a few percent it will help.  Thanks for the info on your history of pressure plates versus effort.  

 

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