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3/03/2020 10:33 AM  #1


1969 351W intake manifold install

Hi folks, first post here. Looks like lots of good info here.
I am currently getting ready to install my intake manifold for the second time, yes I had a water leak first time. It is the stock cast iron manifold on the original heads on the matching # engine. Looking at the instructions Steve posted for the intake install I have several questions.
1: Do you need to put sealant on the "extra" bolts that go thru the water jacket?
2: That "paper thin" layer of sealant that needs to be completely dry, does that mean overnight?
3: The bead on the end rails I'm assuming must be applied immediately before dropping the manifold on?
4: I'm using the Fel-Pro 1250 gasket which I believe is correct?
Thanks in advance for any replies or suggestions.
 

 

3/03/2020 11:00 AM  #2


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

You got the ends right....NO gasket just RTV in a thick layer so, when you set the manifold it will kinda squish down and make a good seal. (no scoot'in the intake around, set it straight down in position!) I like to make up some alignment studs so when you set the mani down they will guide the mani in perfect position! A thin layer of RTV to hold the gaskets in place is needed. The alignment studs work great for this too.
I LIKE to also put a thin layer of RTV between the gaskets and the mani too. To make up for any irregularities that might be in the mani(although that's the job of the gasket, I guess) IMPORTANT to set the mani straight down no wiggling. Extra sealant around water openings can't hurt if not over-done.
Next...remove the alignment studs and replace with bolts and torque to specs. THEN....leave it alone to give the RTV time to set up.
Its gonna be sealed so.....when removing the mani next time, well its gonna be stuck.
Butt......that's what we want a "stuck down-water tight-air tight-seal!
Welcome to the forum!...Where you from??!!!
6sally6


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3/03/2020 11:52 AM  #3


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Welcome to the site. Its a great group of folks hanging out here.
1. Can't help you.
2. Not to put words in Steve's mouth, but I would say tacky to the touch over completely dry.  
3. The RTV for the ends should be tacky too.
4.The 1250 is a printoseal style gasket. Some call it a "print-o-leak' because they have sealing issues, others do not.
You might want to try a Fel pro MS90116, being its a stock style replacement. It may give you better results.


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

3/03/2020 5:04 PM  #4


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

1. I don't think any of the intake bolts go into the water jacket, but they are exposed to oil in the lifter valley.  It doesn't hurt to put a little sealant on them.  I like Form-A-Gasket #3 from Permatex for this as it never fully hardens. 

2. If you stick the gaskets on with gasket cement, or use a skin of silicone around the water passages (I recommend both, and some #3 around the ports doesn't hurt anything either) they must be compressed or they won't seal right, but you also want the gaskets held in the right position while installing the intake.  I apply my sealers to the head side only.  I make 4 studs (bolts with the heads cut off about 2-1/2" long) to lower the intake down evenly, then remove them, install the bolts, and torque to spec.  Let it dry over night.  Then the next day, remove it and make sure the gaskets are in the right spot.  This way you can fix them if they shifted.  If they're good I skin the water ports on the intake side with silicone and lay down 3/8" tall beads of silicone instead of the end gaskets and reinstall the intake the same way (using the guide studs), and torque it to spec.  Then retorque after the first heat cycle and keep an eye on it for the first couple times you run the car.  It seems like overkill, but Fords are very susceptible to the gaskets shifting and developing an oil leak between the valley and cylinders resulting in some hard to pinpoint running issues at idle. 

3. Let that RTV skin before setting the intake.

4. If the gaskets match the ports and water passages in your heads they are right.  You'll know if they don't.  The wrong ones are quite obviously wrong, particularly with the water passages. 

 

3/03/2020 8:15 PM  #5


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Rtv should always be installed WET. IF YOU LET IT SKIM OVER OR DRY, it defeats the purpose of using it in the first place.  You want it wet, and you want 100% surface contact in the wet condition.  That is why a thin layer on the ends of the intake will ensure it properly melds with the thick bead on the block.

If using contact cement or weatherstrip adhesive or yellow death gasket adhesive, that needs to be paper thin and dried before touching it to the coated mating surface so it sticks immediately  Contact cement does not stick if applied wet. But teo dried surfaces stick immediately.   I use contact cement between gaskets and heads so the gaskets are positively held in position. Then the paper thin rtv allows the intake to slide into its final position like a layer of grease, but then it hardens and seals.

1969 and 70 352w intakes have four more bolts than later intakes and those bolts are exposed to water.  But I have never used thread sealer on them. Look at the pics on my intake install page.


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3/04/2020 12:06 AM  #6


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Thanks for the replies. I do have some alignment bolts that I use. Also I use my cherry-picker to lower that heavy iron manifold in place to avoid bumping or displacing the gaskets. The MS90116 gasket is what I used the first time and it was the one that leaked at the aft driver side head where that L-shaped channel goes around the water cutout. The end of that channel comes out past the intake and that's where it was dripping from. So I guess I may have not had enough Ultra Black RTV on the gasket in that area, yet had no leaks anywhere else. I'll try the install this weekend again.

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3/04/2020 10:10 AM  #7


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

SUHHHHHHHHHWHEEEEEEEEEEEEET ride!!!!!!
Hope you can bring it to the Bash-at-the-Beach this April 23-24-25th in  Myrtle Beach!
WOW!!!!!....69 IMHO is when Ford finally got-it-right!!  So popular style in fact FoMoCo copied it with the new Mustangs look!
Check the Bash Info page for all the details about the bash.
6sally6


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3/04/2020 10:35 AM  #8


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

6sally6 wrote:

SUHHHHHHHHHWHEEEEEEEEEEEEET ride!!!!!!
Hope you can bring it to the Bash-at-the-Beach this April 23-24-25th in  Myrtle Beach!
WOW!!!!!....69 IMHO is when Ford finally got-it-right!!
6sally6

Could not agree more. We need more than one 69 at the Bash.

Where do you call home Dreamer?
 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

3/04/2020 10:41 AM  #9


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Thanks! '69 has always been my favorite year. I would like to make the Bash but I still don't trust the car for long trips. Have had it for over 3 years now and only have made a longest trip of 58 miles to work and back. Usually drive it for short tours around home. Had big plans when I bought it to convert it to a Boss9 clone, complete with Kasse Boss9 engine. But have decided to keep it as stock as possible, hence the removal of the Edelbrock Air Gap intake and Holley 750 double pumper and lopey cam that it came with. That's why I'm in the middle of replacing the manifold (Cam done) and installing the Autolite 4300 carb that it's supposed to have.

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3/04/2020 3:24 PM  #10


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Quick trip from Atlanta to Columbia SC......then over to the coast. I've made it several times in my 66.....to visit family, on the way to Tulsa/Houston/Dallas/ and other places.
REALLY would like to get "an-eye-full" of that 69!!!
6sally6


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3/14/2020 10:00 AM  #11


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

Well, got the intake re-installed with the Fel-Pro 1250 gasket. Used ultimate grey around the water ports and for the end seals. I let it sit for a week, added water today and no leaks. Hopefully this weekend will get everything back on and fire it up so I can break-in that cam. One note about the first install, the Ultimate Black sealant I used was about 9 years old so that may have been the culprit. I read on some site that RTV should not be used if older than 3 years from date of mfg.

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3/14/2020 4:33 PM  #12


Re: 1969 351W intake manifold install

I'll-keep-my-fangerz-crossed (as they say in Georgia)
I used the blue RTV because ...............its Ford blue colored.
6sally6
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