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    4/11/2020 7:18 PM  #1

    6sally6
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    Bullet Bob........................

    tell everybody how you told me to wire up my starter so I didn't need to use the FoMoCo solenoid.
    (I forgot how I did it!!)
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    4/11/2020 9:12 PM  #2

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Oh cool, I want to read this too.

     

    4/11/2020 10:02 PM  #3

    Bullet Bob
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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Oh Mike, that was at least three years ago...maybe five.  How 'd you expect me to remember that?  I don't even know what starter you're using.  If it ain't one those skinny little Hi Zoot starters with the solenoid built in you need the stock type solenoid (not necessarily the stock solenoid) mounted somewhere to carry the starting current.
    Tell me what you have and I'll noodle something up that sounds good.

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    4/11/2020 10:52 PM  #4

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Unless you are using a switch that can carry the full electrical load of a starter cranking an engine, you will need a relay to supply the current to the starter.  That relay can be a solenoid type and it can be either remotely mounted or built into a starter, but if the switch can't feed the starter itself then a relay will have to feed it from somewhere.

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    4/11/2020 11:30 PM  #5

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Bullet Bob - sent you a PM.

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    4/12/2020 6:13 PM  #6

    6sally6
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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    That's why I wanted YOU to explain it.........cause I forgot too!!!
    It IS a Hi Zoot I believe!
    It definatly IS a small diameter later model starter. Not like the old fat starter that came on 289's and such.  It DOES have the solenoid on the starter. Seems like that's how you explained it  "........don't need a solenoid to control the solenoid that's built into the starter. Mikeee!"
    The wire to the solenoid is activated the same time as the big starter cable....ain't that right?"
    Anywho.........does that jog-your-remember-er?!
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    However its 'hooked-up' .......it works flawless-lee.     (you catch that?? I flawed the word flawlessly )
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    4/12/2020 7:03 PM  #7

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Fox body was the last to use a solenoid. I'm using the SN95 system. Needs a PMGR starter.
    Heavy cable direct battery positive to starter. Original I terminal wire on solenoid to a relay with a diode built in as the signal. Ground. Fused constant power to the relay. Outta the relay to the starter.
    But now you don't have a solenoid to use as a power distribution point. Perfect time to put a relay/fuse panel in for headlights and the starter, as well as the power supply into the cabin.

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    4/12/2020 7:25 PM  #8

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    50vert wrote:

    Fox body was the last to use a solenoid. I'm using the SN95 system. Needs a PMGR starter.
    Heavy cable direct battery positive to starter. Original I terminal wire on solenoid to a relay with a diode built in as the signal. Ground. Fused constant power to the relay. Outta the relay to the starter.
    But now you don't have a solenoid to use as a power distribution point. Perfect time to put a relay/fuse panel in for headlights and the starter, as well as the power supply into the cabin.

    Thanks Barry, as I read your post I realized, "Oh Yeah, thats what I did"  Nice

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    4/12/2020 8:58 PM  #9

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    50vert wrote:

    Fox body was the last to use a solenoid. I'm using the SN95 system. Needs a PMGR starter.
    Heavy cable direct battery positive to starter. Original I terminal wire on solenoid to a relay with a diode built in as the signal. Ground. Fused constant power to the relay. Outta the relay to the starter.
    But now you don't have a solenoid to use as a power distribution point. Perfect time to put a relay/fuse panel in for headlights and the starter, as well as the power supply into the cabin.

    Okay Mike...I probable told you to mount the stock type solenoid at the rear a close to the battery as  feasible.  Then run the heavy cable from that solenoid to the big lug on the mini starter. Then run a jumper from the small lug to the big lug.  Run the red/blue start wire to the rear and connect it to the S lug on the stock solenoid.  Now, when you hit Start the solenoid at the rear will close and energize the big cable and make the mini starter engage and spin.
    For cabin power I probably told you to run a piece of  8 or 6 ga from the battery side of the stock solenoid in the rear, through an 80 or 100 amp Midi fuse and then to the front where the cabin power and alternator hook to it.  I may have also said to run the big cable through a 200 amp Mega fuse as it leaves the solenoid at the rear.
    This way the big cable is only energized during start and is fuse protected if it every rubs to ground.

    Probably.....

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    B.S.:  Sure seems like a lot of trouble to clutter up the trunk and abandon a perfectly good battery mount under the hood, IMO.

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    4/13/2020 8:38 AM  #10

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    Re: Bullet Bob........................

    Just to clarify, PMGR starter (w/ attached solenoid) was on the late foxbody and uses fender mounted solenoid as well.

    I’m sure they did that for cost reasons...it was confusing the first time I looked at it.

    What was more confusing, trying to mimic the wiring on opposite fender.
    At least it was for me at the time of EFI install.
    Had too much going on at once.
    I had to draw it out to make sure I didn’t mess up.

     

     

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