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Finally putting my 5.0 EFI in my 66 but I have no idea what the loom is out of.
I bought a early Fox body with an EFI in it just for the motor. It ran well but the loom looked very untidy.
Now I am putting it in to my 66 and looked at both 88-90 and 91-93 wiring diagram and no wires seem to match the colours in the loom.
Example, the fuel pump should have a Red wire, tan/dark green wire, black/orange and black/light green.
my loom has red, pink/blue, orange/blue and black/yellow.
Any idea what other cars these looms were taken out of, so that I can try to look them up for a diagram?
Thanks for any help.
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What diagrams are you using?
Possible harness from a speed density model? (86-88)
It will not have MAF.
Has the harness been modified/cut?
Are there any labels wrapped around harness anywhere?
E =80’s
F = 90’s
0,1,2,3....6,7,8,9 = last digit of year
Pictures may help.
Last edited by Nos681 (4/21/2020 6:14 PM)
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Graham, good to see you posting. Glad you are still working on your Mustang. Hope to see my old wheels in a pic someday.
I've never worried about the Ford color coding, I just strip the harness and make sure each pin of the PCM is running to the right pin of the various sensors. The way I do this is by using the diagrams available in the Charles Probst book. I recommend the EVERYONE who is messing with these systems get that book...last time I checked it was still available through Amazon. "Ford Fuel Injection and Electronic Engine Control" by Charles Probst. This is the bible on EEC-IV systems from 88 - 93 and has all the wiring diagrams you are likely to need to modify a Ford harness or build a new harness specific to your car.
You say you bought an "early" Fox as a donor. What year? if it's pre 88 (IIRC), 49 state it will likely have a speed density system. California 88 and all 89-93 HO Mustangs were Mass Air which is really the system you want. A speed density harness can be easily modified to accommodate the Mass Air PCM/system...I've done it. Actually, using the diagrams in Probst you can make nearly any EEC-IV harness work for an HO 5.0.
Buy a good digital VOM (Volt-OHM Meter) to ring out the wires in the harness from end to end. I like to lay the harness out on a sheet of plywood as it will be used in the car. That way I can shorten or lengthen the various harness legs so the finished product will fit the car as it should. If you completely strip the old harness of all wrapping or sheathing this is a fairly simple job. Getting the harness stripped it the hardest part of modifying an old harness. When it's finished you can re-wrap the harness with the loom material or you choice.
Be especially careful with the connectors. If you remove the terminals and wires from the connectors you need to be very careful. The little locking tabs in the connectors will be brittle from the years of hot/cold cycle and are easily broken. If you brake a connector do not try to use it as the terminals will not stay anchored. Go to Rock Auto or other source and purchase the connector and pigtail you need. Standard, Echlin, and others make the connectors with about 6" of wire. These can be spliced on to the old harness wires and insulated with adhesive lined heat shrink tubing. I prefer to use non-insulated crimp or solder barrel connectors for these splices.
Take your time and you will end up with a set up that will serve you well for many years/Kilometers. And have fun!
Can't wait to see some pix of your project.
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PS: Feel free to PM me with questions, sources, etc.
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Thank you both for your replies and great to hear from you Bob.
The car it all came out of was a 1983 Mustang which I'm not sure had injection to begin with.
I will look that book up Bob and get a copy of that.
Will I need to hook into a speed sensor for the AOD?
My speedo is electronically driven so that won't be a problem.
Thanks for any help.
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Mustangs were carbs until 1985.
86-88 were speed density efi...no MAF.
89-93 were MAF efi.
I used above website to help me as well as a couple of others.
This one has information for efi wiring.
Last edited by Nos681 (4/22/2020 4:21 AM)
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I took a look in the Garage today and found an air flow meter Part No:
F1ZF-12B579-AA
AFHH55-03B
OH31
I am using the diagrams from really useful. I think the diagram is by Moss.
There is a diagram there for 88-91 EEC.
If I just follow this diagram, will this get the job done?
I am quite at home following wiring diagrams so if this will work and I just make sure that the components match the pin numbers whilst ignoring the colours that I have, im sure it will be fine.
Do you keep the EEC test plug?
I just need to see where the battery supply, ignition supply and crank power needs to be applied.
Did you use the standard 66 Mustang ignition switch?
Thanks so much for the help.
Regards.
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MAF corresponds to a '91 Mustang, but that doesn't mean the harness or even the MAF came from a Mustang. Mustangs often have parts that have truck, T-bird, etc. part numbers on them. The part number just follows the original application.
Did the MAF and harness come from the same donor vehicle? Be aware that SD and MAF harnesses are largely the same, and plenty of SD harnesses were converted to MAF. There are some pinning changes at the ECU plug. Also, O2 sensor wiring changed over the years. The plugs are the same, but the pin assignments are different. Here's a link that covers the differences:
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Hi,
the MAF and harness came from the same car. I know that the engine is a 91 as it came as a crate engine originally and still had some labels on it. The o2 sensors were all hooked up and as I say, the car ran but it looked a mess under the hood. The new engine had never been painted so it had a lot of corrosion on it. Getting that off and painted was a labour of love.
One other thing you all may be able to help. Obviously I will put it in with new mounts. Do the exact same mounts fit the 302 block the same as the original 66 289 engine? Are they a 2 piece mount?
I can't really see them until the other engine is out.
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Graham;
The 83 mustang had a carburetor so who know's about that harness...probably been hacked on. I would suggest you use a diagram from a 90 or 91 Mustang 5.0 and just take all the pieces you have and build a harness that fits your car.
The PCM...should be an A9P or an A9L...will take a signal from the VSS. You can also drive your speedo from the same signal.
I believe you should absolutely keep the OBD1 port. That's the only way to see what might be making the system sick. Gotta have it and the MIL (check eng. light) which, for some reason, many folks eliminate....?
Ignition power is supplied to the coil/TFI/HEGOsand to trigger the EEC relay. The EEC and Fuel Pump relays should get battery power through separate fused ckts. All of this is easily seen in the diagrams...or should be. I haven't looked at the Moss diagrams but they are probably very well done. I just like Probst since the book is also full of useful info.
I did and you can also use the stock Ign switch. The only real load you will add to the Ign switch is the HEGOs unless you use a relay to power them. I've done it both ways, the HEGOs do not pull a lot of current.
While on the subject, I do like to cut the accessory ckt loose from the stock IGN switch and let the ACC lug on the Ign switch simply trigger one or two Accessory relays which take fused power directly from the battery. I like to remove all the load I can from the old IGN and headlight switches.
Sounds to me like you won't have much trouble with this since you aren't afraid to tackle wiring. That's usually what panics most folks when it comes to EFI.
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Last edited by Bullet Bob (4/22/2020 8:38 AM)
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Just found my first snag.
This loom has 2 HEGO's. One is a small fitting and the other is a larger fitting.
L/H hego (3 wire type) to terminal 43 which fine but R/H hego(4 Wire type) to terminal 29. I do not have a terminal 29 wire in my EEC.
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I have 90% of what you need I even have a new in box painless harness for the fuel injection system GT 40 powder coated upper and lower intake for sale Lmk Covid 19 sale LMK
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gkm24 wrote:
Just found my first snag.
This loom has 2 HEGO's. One is a small fitting and the other is a larger fitting.
L/H hego (3 wire type) to terminal 43 which fine but R/H hego(4 Wire type) to terminal 29. I do not have a terminal 29 wire in my EEC.
Which PCM do you have? Just looked at some diagrams in Probst, looks like the F and E series trucks, Broncos, vans ran a SD system with only one four-wire hego.
Like I keep saying...take the connectors, wire, and stuff you have and build a harness that works for a 5.0 HO and your car. You may need to pick up a couple of connectors but ......
Again...what PCM do you have?
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Details from my PCM:
EEC-IV
GSKT NPF 1F181
*9L2B0323MWXH*
F1MF-12A650-HA
1D1F18
Theres also some pink writing on the back which I think is part No's,
9123 1009 E9AF14A624 AA
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Broncos and trucks ran SD systems long into MAF production on the Mustang. The 1st gen Lightnings were SD, so they were still using it up to at least '95. That's 6 years after the Mustang went MAF.
Both O2 sensors should be 4 pin plugs, though they may only use 3 of the 4 pins. Ford switched the wiring around with this over SD and MAF production. I would take a good look at where the signal wires go and trace those wires back to the ECU. You may find that your harness just uses a different pin for the RH O2 than 29. There are year to year changes with the wiring that often gets lost in the thought that a 5.0 is a 5.0. Its mostly true, but the devil is in the details.
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gkm24 wrote:
Details from my PCM:
EEC-IV
GSKT NPF 1F181
*9L2B0323MWXH*
F1MF-12A650-HA
1D1F18
Theres also some pink writing on the back which I think is part No's,
9123 1009 E9AF14A624 AA
I went through all the PCM codes...such as A9L, A9P, W4HO, etc...in the data I managed to get from the old RJM website before Ford shut him down and I can't find a reference to anything you have here. I'm sure he didn't have everything listed but quite a bit of the more common ones. Is any of this printed in bold in the upper right corner of the label? That's where the code that we are looking for should be. The common Mustang 5.0 HO codes are A9L, manual trans; A9P, AOD; A9M, AOD. I think the pink printing on the off side of the connector is a Mfg. code. I have two '93 Explorer boxes and they both have that same code...one says GTE also.
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I just found that the 91-93 T-Bird 5.0 used a MAF system with the left HEGO on pin 43 and the right HEGO on pin 44. Pin 29 not used. Should both be four wire HEGO's but.....
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I was digging around last night and i found an exact replica of my PCM advertised for sale which is reputed to be out of a 91 T-Bird so that makes a lot of sense.
Thank you very much Bob. I know it worked and I can make it work but for me, I like to know where it came from so that there are none of those awkward questions with vague answers when problems arise.
I have ordered the book that you spoke about. Im sure it will be a very interesting fountain of knowledge.
Regards.
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You have to know the source of the harness for diagnosis, repair, and modification. The reason most would recommend an engine and harness from a Mustang is that those diagrams are commonly available and the typical ECUs used, the A9L and A9P, have all been "cracked" by tuners. A lot of others have been too, but if its an oddball, and no ones cracked it, tuning is not going to be an easy at home thing for those not really well versed in computers. I've got a buddy who could do it, but I certainly couldn't.
On the ECU the only code that matters is the three letter/number code in large font on the right side of the label. This will be something like "A9L", etc. That will give you a definitive application.
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The motor mounts to use are the ones that came on your car. The 5.0 bolt pattern is same as a 289 or 302 or a 351w.
Use a 1/8” pipe plug to fill the dipstick hole in the block when you change to front sump pan and timing cover. Parts from your old v8 will bolt right up. But you have to use the 5.0’s harmonic balancer.
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Thank you all for your help, it is very much appreciated.
Because I am stuck in the UK at the moment and won't be getting back to CA for quite a while, I will soldier on with what I have but I will be looking for an A9L or similar, so if anyone that you know has one for sale, I will be very interested. I can get the money to wherever it needs to be as my family is in CA at the moment and it could be posted there.
Regards.
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Bob,
Do you mind if I ask where you found the Thunderbird wiring diagram and whether you can direct me to it?
No problem if it was a site that I am unable to visit.
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gkm24 wrote:
Bob,
Do you mind if I ask where you found the Thunderbird wiring diagram and whether you can direct me to it?
No problem if it was a site that I am unable to visit.
Page 330 of Probst's book....PM your Email addy and I'll try to scan you a copy. Other than being designed for the four-wire HEGOs it looks like it would work just fine. It also looks like it has a "remote" TFI but that, also, should not be a problem. You could easily install a Mustang distributor with the TFI on board and the wiring to the PCM will be the same from what I can see.
Have any of the ancillary smog systems been removed from that setup? If you are planning to remove things like "secondary air injecton" or"canister purge" it's fairly simple. If you remove EGR it's a bit more complicated and, having done so, I will not suggest you do it. Not that it's complex but the only thing you gain is a "cleaner" look to the engine and reduced fuel economy.
Did you find that Bold code on the upper right corner of the PCM label?
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Last edited by Bullet Bob (4/23/2020 12:00 PM)
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If you know that the system you have was running okay, and if you are planning to keep the engine relatively stock, I can't see where you would be any better off going to the Mustang PCM. Just clean up the harness and make it fit your 66. If you ever needed to change to an A9L or P the required modifications to the harness would be relatively simple. And, the A9L/p/m boxes are getting a bit pricey these days.
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The bold code on the label was LIC and also 1D1F18. All other data was on my previous post.
I will pm you my email as well.
Thanks.
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Yup...L1C = 91 - 93 T Bird 5.0/Auto. Just sent you an email with a photo of the diagram. Should print out on 8.5X11 or "A" or whatever you folks call standard letter size.
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