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Would like to get ideas of laying out an existing large garage 32x48 (cars/shop/tractor/mowers/kitchen sink).
The gable end of building has one man door, one 10x12 garage door, and one 10x10 garage door.
A few windows on eaves, no other doors, 13’ walls too!
Eventually with a lift.
2 or 4 post?
Placement ideas?
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Pictures would be nice!
Mainly because I will be doing the same thing with the same size building soon hopefully.
One suggestion (just to kick-it-off) have the future lift near the front-just inside the door(10X10)....leaving plenty of room toward the back for your work bench stuff.
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Make a 1/4” scale layout of the building. Then cut 1/4” scale templates of workbenches, toolboxes, welder, all your stuff, including the lift and your car. Draw 1/4” grid on the layout and then stick everything in there. You can move the templates around to play with the plan. Take a pic with your phone before moving stuff around every time.
Of course, if you have CAD, this gets real easy.
Don’t forget to apply MS’ LAW to your plan.
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MS wrote:
Make a 1/4” scale layout of the building. Then cut 1/4” scale templates of workbenches, toolboxes, welder, all your stuff, including the lift and your car. Draw 1/4” grid on the layout and then stick everything in there. You can move the templates around to play with the plan. Take a pic with your phone before moving stuff around every time.
Of course, if you have CAD, this gets real easy.
Don’t forget to apply MS’ LAW to your plan.
That reminds me of my industrial engineering days. That's how we did it. Suggestion - get some graph paper.
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If its going to be anything like mine just start packing vehicles and crap in there until you can barely walk. It kind of work for me...
For a lift I think a two post is more versatile. Though 4 posts also have a place. I have both. Haven't had time to get my 4 post set up yet. Planning to use it mostly for vehicle storage.
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Following.. I am getting ready to close on my house in Twin falls . The new house has a lot bigger garage that I have currently.
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just my 2 cents !!
I like the idea of lift just inside door .. the shorter one * leave the taller one for just in case needed..
AND add ...bench - tools - storage on other gable end everything with wheels ( 6 " ) to move as needed , with loft space above to sit and admire your progress !!
[size=50]MAN CAVE STYLE [/size]
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Don't forget the beer cooler! I have a four post and a two post lift. If I was only going to have one it would be the four post. More versatile and quicker if you just need to get under for something. Wheel end work is good on the two post, but set-up takes longer. I prefer the four post with a few small scissor jacks or a slider jack that can lift an end at a time. Four post is great for alignments.
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I went with a four-post since I didn't want to cut up the shop floor and pour proper anchers for the two-post. Now that I have it I'm glad I bought what I bought. Mine will put 6' 9" under the tracks when it's all the way up. That means I can walk around under it and never notice it, other than the four posts, but my floorspace is useable. I have 13' ceilings so I can even put the Heap on it and move around freely if I'm not working on it. 6'9" is way too high for working on the car. Also, if you go 4-post spring for the sliding rail jack. a bit pricey but oh, so handy.
You also could lay out and design your shop space with a reasonably priced home design program, very handy.
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Plus one, on 4 poster,they also have wheel kits for them so if you don't like it here you can move it over there. With the size of you large door you will be able to roll it out side to do those under car body flushes, that is after you pour that nice concrete slab, Boy its fun spending your money
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I have a building that size with a four post lift. With a sliding jack tray you can do just about everything you can think of. When I looked at the building on our pre-purchase inspection, the PO had a 64 Plymouth Belvedere on the lift and a 64 Plymouth Belvedere underneath it. I am 6ft and there is plenty of room underneath. Having said that I have been looking at putting a scissor lift in the 800 sq ft garage2 to work on the little cars (65-66 Mustangs).
I wil also admit to being a packrat and being reduced to little trails through the shop. Bigger is always better.
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Ya mean this? 😁
Guru MustangSteve. Any automotive repair or restoration will take twice as long and cost twice as much as
originally planned, even after careful prior consideration of MustangSteve’s LAW.
Great suggestions on how to spend money guys.
Is that codependency?
I’m not the sharpest bowling ball.
Which four post lifts are well made?
Which should I avoid?
Man Cave....or is it Cave Man?
My wife thinks what’s the difference.
A consideration I have to work around is snow during winter.
So placement of lift is important.
Btw...I could easily get by with 6’ for clearance.
Bahahaha
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Since I have a tiny little storage shelter under my raised house I have learned a LOT about shelves/hooks/racks anything to get stuff off the floor. (area subject to flooding during bad hurricanes) With it being so tiny any heavy/larger stuff is on wheels. I have to roll out my mower, edger, and two bicycles to get in side a do work. BUTT..I have ALL my needed tools no more than two steps away. Work bench with vice and storage underneath (but high enough to get push mower/edger under) All power tools on individual small shelves (4 high) and on and on.
With all my main tools surrounding me...its EZ to put them up and get them down instead of just piling crapo up until I can't find anything.
Having EVERYTHING on wheels is VERY good idea!!
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6sally6 wrote:
Since I have a tiny little storage shelter under my raised house I have learned a LOT about shelves/hooks/racks anything to get stuff off the floor. (area subject to flooding during bad hurricanes) With it being so tiny any heavy/larger stuff is on wheels. I have to roll out my mower, edger, and two bicycles to get in side a do work. BUTT..I have ALL my needed tools no more than two steps away. Work bench with vice and storage underneath (but high enough to get push mower/edger under) All power tools on individual small shelves (4 high) and on and on.
With all my main tools surrounding me...its EZ to put them up and get them down instead of just piling crapo up until I can't find anything.
Having EVERYTHING on wheels is VERY good idea!!
6sal6
We need some pics of this engineering marvel Sal. Big shops are easy to store crap in, it's the small ones that get my interest.
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I agree about small shop space.
I’ve been doing that, don’t mind it at all.
The large amount of space just to park will be primarily most of space during winter.
I’m thinking a “clean” side would be nice for stuff not being worked on.
If only there was a “snowless” side during winter up here.
I’d like to see pictures too Sal.
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All I have is a ranch house with a double car garage with my added 10x32 next to it for my stepside and my F150 end to end. My floor is trashed so thinking about installing a pit because I only have 8' ceilings. Any pros / cons on pits
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Most local jurisdictions no longer allow them. If you can do it on the sly you'll be okay until its time to sell, then you'll have to fill it in and worry about a potential buyer or buyer's agent getting sketched out about possible contamination.
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I used to think a pit would be great until I got to rememberizing that one of our old 4-Banger buddies died in one while welding near the gas tank.
Talk to Daze...Day Scoval. He's on here presently playing with a carbureted/EFI test engine. He has a lift and a stool with wheels in his low garage. Ceiling cant be over 8 or 9'. To me, just getting it high enough to stand while doing brakes/alignment would beat beating my knees and hips. You might also be able to change a section of ceiling to scissor trusses.
Check around, you're not the first to deal with this problem.
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Talk about efficient use of space! Looks a lot like my shop except I have room for the car and the Harley. Just goes to show ya it ain't how much space you have its how you use it.
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Air compressor.
Logic says put it right next to where you need air the most. Reality is they are very noisy. I am putting mine at the far corner of the garage, behind the boat, to keep the noise as far as possible. I will run hard lines to the lift’s hose reel and my sand blast cabinet and to my work bench.
Hydraulic press.
Put it on wheels. Most of them sit too low anyway.
Sand blast cabinet.
Mount it on wheels. Have large volume air pipe going to it. Place it near a big door so you can park it square in the doorway with a fan behind you pointing out the door when in use. A big vacuum cleaner or purpose-made vacuum device can be mounted on a rack directly above it. Need electric outlet nearby for lights and vacuum.
Work bench
Keep it minimal size. The more room you have on top of it, the more crap gets piled there. Don’t we all just scoop off about a 12” x 18” area when we need to work on something?
Tool storage.
Some prefer pegboards with tools on the wall. That just did not work for me. Extra stuff, like that extra wire, Or some part, or extra tools kept getting put there, junking it up You may have better discipline than me. I prefer drawer cabinets with a specific place for every tool. I can tell with a glance in my socket drawer that everything is there or not And I can tell a helper that can’t do fractions that the one I need is in the 2nd row, third from front.
Lighting
You cannot have enough light. My 26 x 30 shop will have 18 fixtures (48” LED) with two more over the workbench. The older you get, the more you will appreciate this.
Four post lift
Get the tall one. You can always “not” raise the car up high, but if you get a short one, you are stuck forever.
The posts are great to mount air hose reels and electric cord reels, up high. To wire the lift., drop a wire from the ceiling with a twist-lock connector just low enough so you can reach it without having to grab a stepstool or ladder Mount a box on the motor bracket so you can wire in the cord reel on that post.
I have my lift so the ramps barely clear the garage door for max space utilization. My lift is not bolted down. Atlas brand makes a good one
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If you can put the compressor in a closet that's insulated with an insulated exterior door. The only thing you'll need to be aware of is that you will need a way to exchange air into and out of that space. Vents to the outside work fine. This really cuts the noise down.
For the blast cabinet its all about getting it sealed and having real dust collection. My blast cabinet cost less than $200 from Harbor Freight. I sealed all seams with silicone, including every fastener hole. I bought and use a real dust collector and a much higher quality blast gun. I've reinvested a couple times the initial purchase price of the cabinet into the system to have something that doesn't throw dust around and has easily replaceable parts that last. Make sure you put a water trap right before or even on the cabinet. They do not like wet air. An adjustable regulator for it allows you to turn the pressure up or down depending on how delicate the job is. Consider some storage for different media too. I use regular blasting sand for most applications, but I keep walnut shells for delicate jobs. If you ever get into fiberglass you will want to use something like plastic media. If you do things that are heavily rusted something like black beauty cuts a lot more aggressively than sand.
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