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1966 Mustang Coupe, 1988 5.0 HO Swap, T5z
I had to remove the exhaust manifolds from the headers while swapping cylinder heads. The exhaust collector dropped a bit and I saw in detail what the exhaust shop had done:
I called the exhaust shop today and he said that he routinely puts flat spots on exhaust for clearance issues. And that he's done that for all kind of performance cars and that "a 3 inch pipe is a 3 inch pipe" the area doesn't change.
This is what I saw on the exhaust:
I've taken fluid mechanics so I understand a thing or two about fluid flow. You want steady consistent diameter to allow for the air to move freely.
From the continuity equation. q1 = q2. Meaning: velocity(1) x Area (1) = Velocity (2) x Area 2.
So the fluid flow will be the same, but obstructions in pipe cause pressure changes and back pressure. Which is why you want as smooth as possible pipes.
He said to bring it back and he'll cut out that section and fix it. IDK, feels very amatureish to me and I'm a little bit pissed.
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I know what you're saying. That's the same basic formula as Ohms law. Here's my thought. Dual exhaust with 2.25" is more then sufficient. That's good to around 450-500 hp. The CSA area of two 2.25" pipe is the same as one 3" pipe. While in theory it should effect flow, you have more then enough area.
Hot Rod Magazine actually did a test on dinging and flattening header tubes for clearance. They literally took a 10 pound sledgehammer and beat the daylights out of the tubes including using the wedge side. It hardly effected power. Don't forget the hotter the exhaust gases, the smaller the pipe it needs.
With a 3" pipe I would imagine you could need a few flat spots for clearance. As long as it was done neatly it wouldn't bother me. I'd rather have that then from hitting the road. Besides even if it did effect performance it wouldn't be in everyday driving
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There's really two ways of looking at this. Will it affect performance? No, as a 3" exhaust is already too big for that motor.
The second is the workmanship and communication. If it were me I would have preferred the installer would tell me before doing the clearancing. Although it doesn't look like he did a bad job.
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That looks like some of my handy work...;)
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I can understand not wanting a flat spot and agree those occasional flat spots should have been mentioned in the discussions prior to work starting. For what shows in the picture from my phone, it doesn’t look bad.
It looks like this is taken near the transmission cross member? Are you running single or dual 3” pipes? Does it look like it’s rubbed against whatever is above?
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It definitely doesn't make a difference in power. I think given the size of the pipe any backpressure change will be minimal.
Should you be pissed? I guess it depends. Stuff like this is exactly why I don't have other people work on my vehicles. If I have to make a compromise like this at least I know I explored every possible avenue before making it. I get that I should give others the benefit of that doubt, but I find it hard.
From his perspective, he's been doing this for however long and probably had very few complaints about stuff like this over the years. Does that make it right? Again, I guess it depends.
Ultimately should or shouldn't you be pissed doesn't really matter; you are pissed. The question becomes how to handle it. If it bothers you that much I think I'd get it fixed, either have him do it or someone else. I have to say I'm a believer in the statement that its not about never making mistakes or having problems arise; its about how you handle those things when they do. As a business owner I'd like to have the opportunity to make a customer happy and have them talking about how I fixed the problem, not how I screwed it up.
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I don't have a 3" exhaust. It's a 2.5" exhaust. That's the example he used.
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Like the famous and well known 'sage' once said............"Ah-simma-down-now.....ah-sima-DOWN-now.....Ah-simma.......-down....-NOW............Ah-simma-down-now!" The late Rosanna-Rosanna-danna. RIP
You think THAT'S bent up??!!! You should see the BFH job I had to do on my pipes.(only difference is...I did it....you paid somebody to beat on yours)
No kidd'in what you got looks fine.
Maybe there is a difference in 'fluid' vs gases?! Once spoken by the man who took a laxative before going to bed! Hence the term "my so & so just $hit-the-bed"!
Don't worry about it.......just drive the fool out-of-it.....you'll feel better!
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I agree with 6S6, drive it and move on. It looks like the guy did a great job at maximizing ground clearance.
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Looks like a good job of clearancing. Find the Hot Rod article and look at THEIR hammer work. Then see their dyno results that showed no discernible difference.
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I build my own custom exhaust and I know mandrel bends aren't the same perfect round dia. as the straights. You have to be creative to butt weld the two of them together.
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I’d say your right to be angry depends on what you spent.
If you handed the guy $1000-2000 Labor for a mandrel bent 2 day long job worthy of a SEMA car - then yes.
If you handed over $400 labor for a decent driver quality exhaust - then no.
Putting 3” pipe on a Mustang is going to require sacrifices of some sort, ground clearance or pipe shape- even 2.5” pipe can be a pain. There are some pretty wild “clearance” pipes out there that are manufactured to allow the same area as a 3” pipe, but in all sorts of funky shapes. Maybe one of those options would better suit you?
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