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5/09/2020 7:49 PM  #51


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

NGK FR5 V-Power Spark plugs are whats on it!


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5/09/2020 9:17 PM  #52


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

I'm thinking Edelbrock should recommend a plug for their head. AFR did with mine.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

5/10/2020 8:12 AM  #53


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

I use Champion RC1212YC gaped @0.050".  I've tried gaping @0.055" and found little difference.
I have a 351W, roller block, 0.040" overbore, 9.5 compression, MSD 6AL ignition w/a MSD Distributor, MSD Ignition wires, MSD "Blaster" coil, Edelbrock "Performer" heads, "Performer RPM" intake, Summit mechanical fuel pump, 40 micron filter between pump and carb, Holley 600 CFM DP, 1/2" phenolic spacer between carb & intake, and a Comp Cams Roller XE270HR, #35-351-8 0.512” lift, 270°I - 276°E, Lobe Sep 112°, Int Centerline 108°.
I also have the Shelby scope on my hood, which will allow engine heat to dissipate more quickly than a "non-ventilated" hood.
Hope this helps.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/10/2020 9:26 AM  #54


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

BobE wrote:

I use Champion RC1212YC gaped @0.050".  I've tried gaping @0.055" and found little difference.
I have a 351W, roller block, 0.040" overbore, 9.5 compression, MSD 6AL ignition w/a MSD Distributor, MSD Ignition wires, MSD "Blaster" coil, Edelbrock "Performer" heads, "Performer RPM" intake, Summit mechanical fuel pump, 40 micron filter between pump and carb, Holley 600 CFM DP, 1/2" phenolic spacer between carb & intake, and a Comp Cams Roller XE270HR, #35-351-8 0.512” lift, 270°I - 276°E, Lobe Sep 112°, Int Centerline 108°.
I also have the Shelby scope on my hood, which will allow engine heat to dissipate more quickly than a "non-ventilated" hood.
Hope this helps.

Looks like we have similar builds....except mine is a 302.
I take it you have no HOT Start Issues? 

correct me if Im wrong because Im still learning this, but is the Champion RC1212YC a Colder or Coldest Plug they make for this line?

I guess I need help understanding this main concept, if Im experiencing hot start issues, do i want a Hotter Plug or Colder One to combat it?

Last edited by M1Mustang69 (5/10/2020 9:31 AM)

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5/11/2020 3:29 PM  #55


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

I do not have hot starting issues.
The RC12YC is the recommended plug by Edelbrock, via their "Perfromer" head instructions.  It is in the middle of the range RC9YC and RC14YC.
I do not believe your plug is the issue however, pull a few with the engine hot and see if they are 'wet'.
The DP can put a load of gas if you push the throttle all the way to the floor.  On a cold start I hit the gas pedal maybe half way twice.  Pump it again and it is flooded.  On a hot start, after 4-5 minutes (as you indicated you have issues) I do not touch the gas, this will keep the choke plate fully open, and have had no issues starting. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/11/2020 3:30 PM  #56


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

Keep in Mind People it will Only Start HOT if the pedal is mashed to the floor; WOT, and that doesnt mean it fires right up, just means the battery wont die cranking......

as far as Carburetors go this has to be a BIG indication of what 1, 2 or 3 things could cause it....with my timing at 11 and 43 we know its not that, but perhaps I can play with those numbers up and down to help said potential "1, 2 or 3 issues?"

this Hot Extended cranking is both ridiculous and embarrassing, esp. given the status of this car and its restored condition

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5/11/2020 3:50 PM  #57


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

I should mentioned that I run a 180 degree thermostat, and my electric fan is 'Hot' all the time and will run on after the engine is shut off until the heat sensor is satisfied.  Typically it only runs about a minute or 2 in hot (>80 degrees) weather.  I also have a Vintage A/C system.
I believe my Holley has 30cc accelerator pumps, 50cc are also available.  With the 50cc units you are putting a lot gas when you go to WOT, which do you have?


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/11/2020 6:22 PM  #58


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

Negative, 30cc......I had my 69 electric fan wired exactly like you have, I thought it to be wise to have the engine cool/right temp even when off. 

I just purchased a clutch fan system for this 68 with the 302......

I dont think the fuel is "evaporating" out of the bowels, I just checked the car as its been sitting for 3 days due to weather conditions.  I pumped each bowel manually and the nozzles shot several times each.  Im beginning to believe the WOT hot start works because of AIR, not a fuel condition. 

So perhaps increasing primary curb idle and leaning out the mixture screws?  just a thought
 

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5/12/2020 7:23 AM  #59


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

Maybe ignition spark weaken when it's hot?

 

5/12/2020 7:36 AM  #60


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

Was wondering the same thing, but after it starts, it runs perfectly..

Its just the Hot starting thats an issue. Super strange

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5/12/2020 9:05 AM  #61


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

M1Mustang69 wrote:

Was wondering the same thing, but after it starts, it runs perfectly..

Its just the Hot starting thats an issue. Super strange

Of course it will! Its a CAR!! A Ford car at that!!!....
Chase down ALL possibilities of the problem.............we're running out of "fixes"!  Soon you start hearing........"get an Edelbrock or........Autolite......or vacuum controlled secondaries....."
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5/12/2020 12:22 PM  #62


Re: HOLLEY TUNING, going in circles!!!

M1Mustang69 wrote:

Negative, 30cc......I had my 69 electric fan wired exactly like you have, I thought it to be wise to have the engine cool/right temp even when off. 

I just purchased a clutch fan system for this 68 with the 302......

I dont think the fuel is "evaporating" out of the bowels, I just checked the car as its been sitting for 3 days due to weather conditions.  I pumped each bowel manually and the nozzles shot several times each.  Im beginning to believe the WOT hot start works because of AIR, not a fuel condition. 

So perhaps increasing primary curb idle and leaning out the mixture screws?  just a thought
 

I feel that you need to perform all the checks and suggestions from the various posts with the engine in the hot condition where the problem occurs.  You have a PM.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

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