| ||
Visit MustangSteve's web site to view some of my work and find details for: FYIFORD Contributors' PICTURES - Power Brake Retrofit Kits for 65-66 Stangs - Classic Mustang FAQ's by MustangSteve - How to wire in a Duraspark Ignition - Mustang Ride Height Pictures and Descriptions - Steel Bushings to fit Granada Spindles to Mustang Tie Rods - Visit my EBAY store MustangSteve Performance - How to Install Granada Disc Brakes MustangSteve's Disc Brake Swap Page - FYIFORD Acronyms for guide to all the acronyms used on this page - FYIFORD Important information and upcoming events |
Offline
I watched a couple of minutes of todays race in Darlington. I think sail boat races are more exciting. Please tell me what the attraction is to this race.
Offline
Watching grass grow would be more exciting. Do people actually pay to attend this?
Online!
As an outsider, it has no attraction to me. I thought it was mandatory for a 'merican car guy.
Offline
Roundy round racing is big in mullet country.
I actually was a fan when they used Detroit cars, anyone remember Hudson’s on the Daytona sand track?
Online!
I give up on Nascar when all the cars started looking alike.......all the drivers turned to "gay movie stars"....and it was all about the big crash at the finish!! BUTT.......as with a lotta sports it loses A LOT trying to watch it on the 'telly'.
Back-in-the-day (oh crud...here he goes!!) you could actually buy the cars that were racing.
Sell on Sunday-buy on Monday was really true! 427 Galaxys.........Hemi Dodge/Plymouths....etc.
Now Rick Hendrix builds all the Chevy stuff...........Jack Roush builds the Ford stuff.......Charlie Chan builds the Toyotas (maybe) and everybody just 'buy a motor and put it in their car'!
The days of Smokey Yunich.... David Pearson.....Junior Johnson.....are wayyyy in the rear view.
OK........I'm done (stick-a-fork-in-me)
6sally6
Offline
Rudi wrote:
Roundy round racing is big in mullet country.
I actually was a fan when they used Detroit cars, anyone remember Hudson’s on the Daytona sand track?
I do t remember them racing them but a 52 Hudson Hornet 4dr was my first car. I loved that car. It was a dog off the line but tough to beat on the open road.
Today’s race was a snoozer. Darlington used to be one of the most exciting ones. It was like they were social distancing on the track
Offline
Rudi wrote:
Roundy round racing is big in mullet country.
I actually was a fan when they used Detroit cars, anyone remember Hudson’s on the Daytona sand track?
Hudsons were the hot ticket back around '50. Part of the reason was you could get dual carbs on it. As the I6 was a flathead, the carbs were bolted directly to the heads. The manifold was integral to the head, and getting one on your Hudson was a big deal.
I used to watch them in action in Gardena, or thereabouts, with my dad.
Offline
Hudson was the first automaker to sell real performance parts for their cars. That straight six was designed by a real smart guy, forget his name, but he also designed the Ford 300. The Ford 300 was basically his vision of the Hudson six if he had the engineering budget to give it OHV. The airflow in the Hudson was so limited by the flat head design that the most you could get out of them NA was about 300HP (still a lot for the day and right about 1HP/cube).
They also had a lot of other innovative features like the step down body (low to the ground, better handling and aerodynamics).
They also had Smokey Yunick as their crew chief/car builder.
They won the '52 season with a 1,000point lead. Won again in '53, and came close in '54. In '55 the BelAir came out with the SBC and the world went V8, plus Hudson was a having financial problems at this point.
Its really a shame, Hudson and a lot of other smaller American automakers contributed a lot more than most people know to the automobile. They did it on shoestring budgets with brilliant engineers, and are now mostly forgotten in history.
Modern NASCAR, yeah, not interested anymore. Was a time we went to races. My family was friends with the Director of Motorsports at Dover (God rest). When I was younger we'd go to a race a year there. The cars were no longer really real, but closer than they are today. Today, big money and rules have ruined the sport IMO. The highlight of those years for me was probably meeting Bobby Allison.
If you love the old stuff read Smokey's book. Entire chapters on early NASCAR with no punches pulled.
Offline
50vert wrote:
As an outsider, it has no attraction to me. I thought it was mandatory for a 'merican car guy.
Not for this American guy. Like most everything today that has a long history, what we have today has little resemblance to days gone by. We speak of the good ole days for that reason.
Offline
I went to Texas Motor Speedway with a buddy who loves NASCAR. It was fun to watch the start and go down and watch the cars come by at 180 MPH a couple of times, but then it was just pure boredom until the finish. I wandered around and found a few beers to take up the time in-between.
Now the folks who party it up in the infield have the right idea. Climb on top of your party bus every so often then go back to the grill and adult beverages.
Offline
Ah, NASCAR just like any sport. We new it in the day based on all the social interaction like Beer and dogs at the track while walking elbow to elbow or cheek to cheek at the track in the crowd. Getting excited (drunk) talking so loud we were spitting all over each other. Watching people till we laughed so hard we had to run! Hard to do that watching empty stands and crying the the beer we are holding wishing we were there. Nothing like that many loud exhausts going by to the tune of pain!
Offline
lowercasesteve wrote:
Rudi wrote:
Roundy round racing is big in mullet country.
I actually was a fan when they used Detroit cars, anyone remember Hudson’s on the Daytona sand track?Hudsons were the hot ticket back around '50. Part of the reason was you could get dual carbs on it. As the I6 was a flathead, the carbs were bolted directly to the heads. The manifold was integral to the head, and getting one on your Hudson was a big deal.
I used to watch them in action in Gardena, or thereabouts, with my dad.
The dual carb model was what I had. My cousin was a Hudson guy. He owned several and a truck. My Dad bought the 52 from him in '62. I took it over in 64. The flat head was 308 ci. We had to stop driving it in the lat 60s because we couldn't buy king pins back then. They were really well made cars with a lot of features that didn't show up on other mainstream American cars until after Hudson was out of business. One was the split braking system. The dash board had a ton of chrome.
Offline
My mom had one in college, not sure the year. It was green and thus is always recalled as The Green Hornet. No Kato to go with it, but interesting still.
I've often wondered what the American automotive landscape would have looked like if Hudson had the money behind it that GM or Ford had. With OHV that 308 would have kicked the snot out of the first gen SBC. More HP, with more low end torque. The SBC is widely regarded as the engine that brought V8 power to the working man. That's debatable, as the flathead Ford probably was the one that had really done it, though it didn't have the longevity or production numbers of the SBC. But you have to wonder, if Hudson had the market share of GM, the engineering budget of GM, the production ability of GM; would we have seen high powered sixes develop at least alongside such V8s? Smokey Yunick never goes to GM; he stays at Hudson, and maybe Hudson starts the musclecar era instead of Pontiac. Heck, maybe John Delorean who's ceiling was limited at GM ends up as CEO of Hudson. Hudson later picks up Lee Iacocca after he's let go from Ford, and continues to innovate by birthing the American economy car and minivan. Today the big three are Ford, GM, and Hudson. Maybe instead of a Mustang what's in my garage is a Hudson Smokey Special. It has an OHV 308 with a factory blower, 3X2 and is backed by a multiplate wet cork clutch connected to a Borg/Warner T-10 with an overdrive 4th gear. Now that would peg the cool meter!
Online!
My Dad had a Hudson when I was just a lil'squirt. He talked about what a good car that was.......his whole life.
My idea of NASCAR would be........only race what you produce for the masses. (like it started out!) If it FWD then race FWD. IF the biggest engine available in that FWD ...then race it. No full caged frames.......race what you manufacture (with maybe a roll bar)
I bet the crowds would COME BACK even though the speeds would be lower because.........that would be available to the public.
Not a lot of visible difference (on TV) between 140mph and 210mph. Still fast.
6sal6
Offline
I'm with you on this one 6sally6. Safety upgrades only, and some old school "if the rules didn't say it wasn't allowed I had to assume it was" type modifications.
In truth, I think modern cars would run very fast once they got up to speed. You have to remember that the first cars to top 200 were in the late '60s. NASCAR has been playing games with tires and spoilers for decades to limit top speed and try to make them all run the same speed so they're bunched up and the wrecks are more fantastic. Most new cars top speed is electronically governed due to the tires they sport from the factory. Slippery as these new cars are with all the emphasis on fuel economy I bet they still run close to 200.
Offline
Hell, if they would run factory cars it would change everything. Grab a Hellcat, put some sticky tires on it and race the Mustangs and Camaros. Stock Cars with maybe a roll cage and other safety implements added. Engine, drive train and suspension exactly what you could buy on Monday.
What a concept!
Offline
NASCARs are intermediate bodies though, so its more like the Charger, etc. I'd like to see any manufacturer able to compete too. Bring the Asian and European cars in. Size wise I think the Kia Stinger (those things are FAST) and BMW M6 qualify. AWD, turbos, etc. If they sell it to the public they can legally race it, so long as it meets old school homologation rules. It would really be back to the heyday. 6s vs. V8s, auto vs. manual, RWD vs. FWD vs. AWD. It would actually be exciting again!
The Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers should run Trans-Am. Old school Trans-Am with the same kinds of rules as our new version of NASCAR. Let's see if all that Hellcat power can beat something like the GT350R in the twistys.
REMEMBER!!! When posting a question about your Mustang or other Ford on this forum, BE SURE to tell us what it is, what year, engine, etc so we have enough information to go on. |