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Hello all, I've been slowing installing MS brake kit on my 66 mustang. The latest thing I have ran into is that my hubs don't seem to be spinning true. Both hubs have been rebuilt with new bearings and races, and both seem to have the same problem. Drivers side I was able to get the wobble within .005" by preloading the bearings. I feel they are too tight to drive on though. Passenger side doesn't seem to matter how tight I set the bearings. Rotors themselves are true, but nearly touch caliper brackets when rotating. I'm sure it's in the bearings, I just can't seem to find the "sweet" spot. Any ideas? Your help is appreciated!
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What it seems like you are talking about is runout measured with a dial indicator. When you say the rotor is true, are you saying there is no runout (wobble) when the rotor is secured to the hub and rotated, measuring with a dial indicator? If this is the case , I would run it. If you are saying it is true by measuring with a straight edge or something then your runout will likely be more when the rotor is bolted up to the hub. There are tolerances for rotor runout which are more than .003 but cant remember the maximum.
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Yes with the rotor bolted to the hub, runout is ~.005 on the good side. I haven't measured the pass side yet as it is visible rotating with excessive runout. I have eliminated the rotors being warped by swapping rotors, and by measuring runout on hubs alone. The rotors only exaggerate the runout problem in the hubs.
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I would certainly not be happy with 5 thou at the rotor, that runout increases exponentially when you get out to the tread on the tire.
It might be a big pain, butt (TS) If it were mine I would pop out the studs and set the rotor up in a lathe and clean it up to zero runout.
As a retired tool and die maker I get anal to go beyond the steps an average "Joe Blow" would to getter perfect!
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Are you absolutely certain that the inner bearing race is seated properly? Is it possible that whoever "rebuilt" the hubs could have raised a bugger in the seating surface when knocking out the old bearings? I haven't looked at mine for over a year but I seem to recall there are rings in Steve's kit that center the rotor on the hub...but that may be wrong. Like I said, I haven't had it apart since I put it together.
Also, did you clearance the hubs to allow the rotor to fit over the large diameter of the hub without interference? That's important.
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Rudi wrote:
I would certainly not be happy with 5 thou at the rotor, that runout increases exponentially when you get out to the tread on the tire.
It might be a big pain, butt (TS) If it were mine I would pop out the studs and set the rotor up in a lathe and clean it up to zero runout.
As a retired tool and die maker I get anal to go beyond the steps an average "Joe Blow" would to getter perfect!
This might be your best option if your races are seated properly. I had considerable runout on one of my hubs so I bought a new reproduction hub. The new hub had runout that had to be addressed. I would mark the high and low points with a shapie and the amounts so when it gets checked up in the lathe it is in the same position. There is only about 7/16 area in the rear of the hub to chuck it up, could be easy to get chucked up crooked.
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Certain the races are seated properly, no. Confident I installed them correctly, yes. I did inspect them after install and they appeared to be seated. I have been leaning towards this theory as well. I will re-inspect this evening to confirm. Besides that I can't imagine what else could cause this. Unless the hubs themselves are warped. I really doubt that though. I did not have to clearance the hub to rotor, as they fit nice and flush together. Thanks for the input.
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DBROWN wrote:
Rudi wrote:
I would certainly not be happy with 5 thou at the rotor, that runout increases exponentially when you get out to the tread on the tire.
It might be a big pain, butt (TS) If it were mine I would pop out the studs and set the rotor up in a lathe and clean it up to zero runout.
As a retired tool and die maker I get anal to go beyond the steps an average "Joe Blow" would to getter perfect!
This might be your best option if your races are seated properly. I had considerable runout on one of my hubs so I bought a new reproduction hub. The new hub had runout that had to be addressed. I would mark the high and low points with a shapie and the amounts so when it gets checked up in the lathe it is in the same position. There is only about 7/16 area in the rear of the hub to chuck it up, could be easy to get chucked up crooked.
The only correct way of truing the hubs on a lathe would be to use a between the centers, conical arbour that seats into the two opposite outer bearing races. This method would duplicate how the hub spins on the spindle.
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Be sure to follow the instructions where it explains how to be sure the hubs may need to have a chamfer ground on the OD so they fit flat inside the rotors. If you do not do that, you can chase wobbling rotors for the rest of your life. Some hubs LOOK like they fit flat inside the rotors buy in reality do not.
Either that or you may have hubs that got damaged changing wheel studs or removing the drums. The flanges can get bent.
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Thanks Steve. I'll double check those as well.
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UPDATE. Found the problem, simple mistake. Although I installed all lug nuts when checking for runout, they must be torqued at least to 50#. At least in my case. I'm guessing the hubs got slightly distorted, torquing them to the rotor face trues everything up. Thank everyone for the help. Bleeding them next, test drive soon!
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I found this searching for solutions to runout problems on my front disc brake conversion. A little late to the party but, what I found may help someone else.
The problem for me turned out to be that the lug studs were a few thousandths bigger in diameter than the lug bolt holes in the rotor. It wasn't obvious though, because the studs are tapered at the thread end and it appeared that there was clearance between the hole and the stud.
I spent a very long time figuring this out, but after I finally determined the OD of the hub was smaller than the ID of the rotor, there was only one other possible interference. I used an old set of dividers to measure the ID of the rotor.
I went to NAPA and bought the right size drill and opened up the holes a few thousandths and the runout was gone.
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