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1966 Mustang Coupe, 5.0 Swap, GT40, T5z, MAF/EFI
No car feels complete until you got the radio going. Just about got it all wired up and set.
2 months ago I was ready to put a for sale sign on this thing and move on. Drove around town for about an hour w/ the music blasting and drinking a coke yesterday afternoon with all the major work finally done. Wasn't quite heaven but close to it.
-Noticed an exhaust backfire a few times. Need to tweek timing.
-You really appreciate having auto-off turn signals driving these classics.
-Those original seats are terrible when cornering. Might as well be sitting on a flat piece of wood.
-Non retractable lab belts can get annoying quick
-These cars are not for big people. It occured to me that losing 50 lbs is a lot cheaper than installing a tilt steering wheel and lowering the seat pans.
-I've tightened the exhaust manifold bolts 3 times and I still see a small puff of smoke after a bit of driving. Sure enough when I got home they were lose again. Need to invest in some stage 8 fasteners.
-Exhaust keeps banging on the sub frame cross member. Spent over $1100 on a custom exhaust just to have the "expert" shop guy install everything too close. Adding it to the to-do list.
-Driving w/o a gauge cluster is fun up until you run out of gas! Luckily I was only a few blocks from a gas station.
Gotta plan a North Texas Mustang rally soon.
Last edited by TremendousWand (7/13/2020 8:15 AM)
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You might be over torquing the exhaust manifold bolts. Use the torque specs, they matter.
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Sounds like fun.😎
Try three wraps of Teflon tape on the threads And don’t over torque. I’d suggest new bolts if It continues.
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Pray all is well Glad you kept it going inspired me to keep going too send pictures of the powdered coated GT 40 intake and valve covers under the hood and show me what could have been 😂
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Bullet Bob wrote:
You might be over torquing the exhaust manifold bolts. Use the torque specs, they matter.
Trivia Time:
There has been a lot of study on hardware torque. It was done on the material of the hardware and the amount of stretch of the hardware and the clamping force of the pieces that they hold. It was discovered that there is a small area where the torque holding force is at its best. Too tight or too loose of a torque allows the hardware to loosen. Once hardware has been stretched beyond a certain limit, it's no good. The aircraft industry has OKed and demanded the use of proper torque instead of some kind of safteying device (saftey wire or pal nuts) in a lot of applications.
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Loc Tite?! Jus ax'en!
6s6
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What gaskets are you using?
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I would avoid Stage 8 bolts. They are a royal PITA to have to install/remove. Just use good ARP bolts and apply proper torque. I find header bolts require an initial run in and retorquing, then maybe once more. Do that right and they should be fine. They need to heat cylce at least twice.
On the APR bolts, do not get the 3/4" long ones. If you have good headers they have a flange that is too thick to let those short bolts grab anything. Get the 1" ones. Yes, they will likely be listed for a Chevy.
Last edited by TKOPerformance (7/15/2020 5:00 AM)
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I used industrial grade stainless socket head cap screws, straight up with no lock washers.
With SHCS’s you can use a Bondhaus ball end Allen wrench for easy on and off.
I have mentioned this many times in the past that I am using Prothane motor mounts. They seem to substantially limit the amount of engine movement which I am sure keeps my header bolts tight, I don’t even think about them anymore other than one of the things on the check list at the start of each driving season.
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Your exhaust backfire may well be related to your loose headers. Once you solve the header leak issue, see if your exhaust backfire goes away.
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Also, an exhaust crossover that stiffens up the entire exhaust system will make gaskets last longer and bolts will not back off.
I tend to tighten my header bolts really tight, but have never had any back off.
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Heli-coils in aluminum heads will allow a bit more torque on the header bolts, to cut costs most of the Chinese heads don’t use them.
I’d be real careful over tightening any bolt that goes into off shore heads without checking for Heli- coil’s.
I try my best to purchase stuff made anywhere but the country that gave us Wuhan virus, tough job though!
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MS wrote:
What gaskets are you using?
Hedman Headers, Fel-Pro Gaskets.
I ordered Stage 8 hardware. Will install this weekend and then check for exhaust leaks this weekend. Next week car goes back to the exhaust shop to fix the crappy custom job and gets registered. Can't totally rule out that exhaust isn't coming from collector.
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Shady tree exhaust leak 'checker'.......... Warm up engine and at a fast idle pour some oil or A/T fluid into carb
AND KEEP IT RUNNING!
It will show up any exhaust leaks!
Best a two man job........one to pour another looking at exhaust joints.
6sal6
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After many years I've noticed intake bolts are always loose a year later and exhaust is some what. I tried to see if they are just backing out, but it seem they stretch (on the intake) and if you just keep retorqueing they will break . Headers, I never use a head side gasket, just red silicone ( hi temp), or a metal gasket if available.
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TremendousWand wrote:
MS wrote:
What gaskets are you using?
Hedman Headers, Fel-Pro Gaskets.
I ordered Stage 8 hardware. Will install this weekend and then check for exhaust leaks this weekend. Next week car goes back to the exhaust shop to fix the crappy custom job and gets registered. Can't totally rule out that exhaust isn't coming from collector.
If you MUST use the Stage 8 hardware I'm going to give you some advice I wished I gotten: do not install the locks when you first install the bolts. Install the bolts, heat cycle the engine, retorque the bolts, heat cycle it again, and torque the bolts. THEN install the locks. Not doing that will just ensure that you will be removing the locks to tighten the bolts. I had a set on a Fox body once and absolutely hated them. I'm convinced they are a solution in search of a problem.
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Somebody gave me a set of those Stage 8 bolts once, many years ago. About half of them could not even have the lock clips installed due to header tube clearance issues. The ones that did get installed rattled so loud they could be heard in the driver seat. Needless to say, they were quickly removed. Those things are for Chevy engines. The solution is a very tightly torqued bolt and good gaskets and a crossover pipe to hold things rigid. And THICK header flanges help, too.
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MS wrote:
Somebody gave me a set of those Stage 8 bolts once, many years ago. About half of them could not even have the lock clips installed due to header tube clearance issues. The ones that did get installed rattled so loud they could be heard in the driver seat. Needless to say, they were quickly removed. Those things are for Chevy engines. The solution is a very tightly torqued bolt and good gaskets and a crossover pipe to hold things rigid. And THICK header flanges help, too.
hmmm. well I'll see how it goes. If this is still a problem after a few months I may try another approach.
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TremendousWand wrote:
MS wrote:
Somebody gave me a set of those Stage 8 bolts once, many years ago. About half of them could not even have the lock clips installed due to header tube clearance issues. The ones that did get installed rattled so loud they could be heard in the driver seat. Needless to say, they were quickly removed. Those things are for Chevy engines. The solution is a very tightly torqued bolt and good gaskets and a crossover pipe to hold things rigid. And THICK header flanges help, too.
hmmm. well I'll see how it goes. If this is still a problem after a few months I may try another approach.
I have the Stage 8 bolts on my BBK headers and have no issues with them. Yes, you need to file the clips to get a proper fit to the header tube, but mine have not failed me. I previously had Hedman Headers and did not use "locking" style bolts and had to re-torque, or replace, header bolts, constantly. The Hedmans had a 1/4' flange, while the BBKs has a 3/8" flange. I believe that the thicker flange contributes to less issues with the bolts vibrating loose.
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