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Steve, my "story" is about 2 pages. Can I Cut & Paste onto a post or would that be too long? The technology escapes me.
By the way, sorry about your current malady. I feel your pain. Get rest.
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Go ahead and post it. I am certain everyone is interested.
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MS wrote:
Go ahead and post it. I am certain everyone is interested.
Yep. Other than me, nothing but pilots and engineers here.
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That looks very similar to a cyclic control on a helicopter. Top thumb switch was for lateral and horizontal trim, upper thumb button was for remote hook release, lower thumb button on side of grip was for belly hook release, and two position trigger switch was one click for intercom and second click was for transmit. We didn't have the lower most button.
It would be interesting to be able to mock up a shifter with that as the handle, incorporating some of the switches into functional controls. Do it!
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Bearing Bob wrote:
MS wrote:
Go ahead and post it. I am certain everyone is interested.
Yep. Other than me, nothing but pilots and engineers here.
Hey BB2, I'm not a pilot though I do wish I had learned, Butt (TS&T) I'll be darned if I'll allow you to accuse me of being an engineer!
BB1
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Never to late to take to the sky Steve. I was only 16 when I got my pilot licence, but there was a 70 year old gent that was on course at the time and he got his ticket.
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The pinky button or thumb button might be the best choices.
It could mechanically push the transmission lockout to the side.
There is a cable in the shifter.
When you push on the button, it pushes the cable to the side and lifts the lever.
Thanks for my freedom too.😁
Last edited by Nos681 (9/06/2020 7:45 AM)
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For a lot of years I drove cars that did not have lockouts like this. I would hook all those triggers and buttons up to important stuff like flash lights, mist swipe of wipers, cool horn, .......... Then disable the lock out or add anther one unrelated to the shifter. Like maybe another lever from a jet!
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Incorporate an ignition switch IN the handle!! Thief would never figger that out!! They would waste too much time trying to find the ignition switch.
I like it!!!!
6sally6
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The love for engineers abounds. Where would you be without them? Driving a cast iron car with a horse pulling it? Trying to get across a huge river because the flimsy bridge designed by a “watch this” type fell down right after they built it?
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OK chaps, I'll try again. It is kind of long - sorry about that.
Starfighter Crash (Sorta Mustang Related)
I should point out that I am Canadian and retired from the Royal Canadian Air Force after a 32 year career, much of it spent flying the CF-104 Starfighter in Europe and Canada. The Starfighter was a single engine Mach 2 fighter that was more fun to fly than one should be allowed to have.
The incident in question occurred while serving at our largest fighter base located in northern Alberta. Our squadron had the task of training pilots to serve in Europe with NATO. We also conducted Fighter Weapons training similar to the USAF Fighter Weapons Instructor Course or the USN Top Gun School. On this particular date we were scheduled to run a huge attack training mission with fighter aircraft from our Air Force as well as aircraft from the U.S. Navy and U.S. Air Force. Half of the aircraft were to simulate attack on a target in northern Alberta and the other half were to defend against an attack. My wingman and I were part of the attack force. Lots of fun! Oh yes, most of our Starfighters were single seat but we did have a few 2 seaters. On this day I had one of the 2 seaters and a good friend (our German Air Force exchange pilot) decided to hop into my rear seat – a decision I am sure he came to regret.
Our attack tactics at the time were pretty simple – low and fast. We got airborne as planned and the enroute portion was uneventful (we were not detected by the defenders). The approach to the target was planned for 540 knots (about 600 mph) at about 250 feet above ground. Things looked pretty good for a while. I had just had a quick check of my map and when I looked up there were a few large white herons right on the nose, too late to do anything. Two of them passed just to the left of the canopy and another just to the right and one or more impacted probably in the engine intake area. I pulled up and the engine compressor stalled. I tried to clear the stall but there was so much damage that I could not even move the throttle. In the meantime we had gained a bit of altitude but lost a lot of speed which is not a good thing in an aircraft with the gliding characteristics of a rock. The outcome was predictable so I called for my friend to EJECT and shortly after I followed. I was told that he went out at about 480 feet and I left at about 275 feet – much too late considering the sink rate.
There are a lot of things that happen in the ejection sequence in a very short period of time and it is of course quite violent. The canopy goes, a rocket blasts the seat out of the cockpit, when the seat is clear of the aircraft the harness opens and the pilot is dumped out of the seat and then the parachute opens. There is a lot of “G” involved when the rocket fires and it is normal to black out. I recall the hearing the incredibly loud blast and then the absolute silence when the rocket stopped. When the ‘chute opened I sort of came to. Because of the low altitude and the high sink rate there was not a lot of time in the ‘chute before I landed, maybe one or two swings, which was fine with me because I have this problem with heights.
A U.S. Navy E-2C Hawkeye aircraft was part of the exercise and orbited the area which was nice because I had someone to talk to – it took a couple of hours for the rescue chopper to arrive and my friend and I were quite far apart.
Other than minor cuts and bruises both of us fared pretty well. My wife sometimes claims that there was brain damage involved but I think she’s just trying to be funny – maybe.
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WOW what a great story riwall. Very lucky you got out of the “Lawn Dart” at that low altitude , not like the recent “Tutor” ejection.
I had a good friend who is was an instructor at Cold Lake.
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This was over water...right? OR land?
So you had a "flame out"......(just like on Top Gun?!!)
WOW!
6sally6
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Well, it was over land - actually it was what is termed muskeg. This was in June so the muskeg had melted and I sunk up to my ankles waking around. I finally inflated the dingy and sat in that until the chopper showed up. In the meantime the black flies were eating me up.
I should mention - this is Mustang related because that is where I got the stick grip that I want to use as the shifter on my '67 Mustang.
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Rudi wrote:
WOW what a great story riwall. Very lucky you got out of the “Lawn Dart” at that low altitude , not like the recent “Tutor” ejection.
I had a good friend who is was an instructor at Cold Lake.
Amen!
Great story. What a yarn to share with your grand kids.
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Bullet Bob wrote:
Bearing Bob wrote:
MS wrote:
Go ahead and post it. I am certain everyone is interested.
Yep. Other than me, nothing but pilots and engineers here.
Hey BB2, I'm not a pilot though I do wish I had learned, Butt (TS&T) I'll be darned if I'll allow you to accuse me of being an engineer!
BB1
+2 BB1, no need to resort to name calling. LOL
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So.....did you forget to let go of the stick?😂
Remind me not to arm wrestle you at the Bash.
Great adventure, comes with the territory...eh?
Think we all might have a little dain bramage here.
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Nos681 wrote:
So.....did you forget to let go of the stick?😂
Ya, no kidding. Did they dig it out of the wreckage? Do we need to get Paul Haaarvey for the rest of the story?
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wsinsle wrote:
Bullet Bob wrote:
Bearing Bob wrote:
Yep. Other than me, nothing but pilots and engineers here.Hey BB2, I'm not a pilot though I do wish I had learned, Butt (TS&T) I'll be darned if I'll allow you to accuse me of being an engineer!
Hey, I hold engineers in high regard. Until they prove otherwise anyway.
BB1+2 BB1, no need to resort to name calling. LOL
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People don't realize the danger birds pose to jet aircraft. Thank God you and your friend survived. Great story riwall!
My neighbor was a pilot for United until age forced his retirement. He told me a story once about a seagull covered runway. They tried to take off and the seagulls literally packed the engines solid. Fortunately they never got far off the ground, if at all. He said they pulled something like 20 birds out of the engines that were still recognizable, not counting the ones that got tuned into avian puree.
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Well, there was a large crater in the ground and one of the Accident Investigators found the stick grip so he gave it to me. A couple of scratches and minor chips but it is pretty much intact.
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So is there a secret club in the military for guys who've ejected and lived?
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I'm not sure that it is a secret but it is named the "Caterpillar Club" sponsored by the Irvin Parachute Company. Membership is awarded to individuals whose lives were saved by parachuting from a disabled aircraft. We get a certificate of membership and a gold lapel pin shaped like a caterpillar (the worm not the machine). My caterpillar has red eyes which I am told signifies a fire/engine emergency. It is a club that I had not aspired to join but I am delighted after the fact to be qualified.
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Wow, this is not the way I want to get out of a plane!!! I would have heightened anxiety levels for the next several rides after an something like this.
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Bolted to Floor wrote:
Wow, this is not the way I want to get out of a plane!!! I would have heightened anxiety levels for the next several rides after an something like this.
Ya gotta get right back on a horse after it throws you.
Reminds me of a story. That 70 year old guy that was learning to fly when I was on course was doing solo circuits in a Piper J3, he never noticed a 180 shift in the wind. He came in down wind , went into a fence and nosed over. The instructor made him go back up almost immediately in the other J3 that the club had.
They told him if he had time to think long enough that he would not go up again.
He went on to get his PPL and flew for quite a few years after.
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