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5.0 coyote with auto. trans, $3500.00 supposed to be less than 20K on it. is it worth it? no I don't own it, but if anyone is interested I can give you the information.
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Just the engine and trans? I suppose the big question is really what all comes with it? The issue with these modern engines/transmissions from a swap perspective is that they are designed to be used in a fully integrated application. The old days of having a wiring harness and single computer that handled the engine are long gone. There's a computer for the engine, another for the transmission, and others for climate control, etc. Even the instrument cluster provides data to the system. I believe Ford has a swap harness available that greatly simplifies the work of getting everything to work in a non stock application, but I believe that alone is $1,500-$2,000.
Then there's accessories, cooling fans, etc.
To me, the amount of work required to get a Coyote in an early car just isn't worth it. They are fairly impressive in stock form, but for 1/2 to 1/3 the cost I can just build an old school 5.0 or 5.8 based stroker and crush it power wise, while having a much, much simpler swap.
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I hear ya. that would be my choice as well. didn't know if anyone out there was really looking for one.
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That's a very good deal, especially super good deal if it comes with the computer, accel pedal, and wiring.
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I believe the computer was sitting on top of the engine, but I don't recall seeing anything else
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Remember how cool we all thought it was to swap in a 94-2004 Cobra engine in an early car? It looked so cool, but quickly became outdated.
An old, period correct Windsor, whether carbed or efi, is so easy to do and infinitely upgradable. I see no reason to complicate things with the new stuff. I may eat these words some day, but so far, the last twenty years of having this opinion has worked fine for me.
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I agree with everything you guys are saying about the simplicity of a Windsor small block (I used one for the same reason) but there is something to be said for the power, mpg and reliability of a factory Coyote. Plus, a Coyote under the hood does look cool. Add if you need a little more, throw a supercharger on it and you have a ton of power in a very docile package with good street manners.
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I have a friend here that has a 71 torino not only with this engine but the mustang interior, and running gear. the few times I've ridden in it, it is pretty quick. it's like they cut the body off the mustang and dropped the torino on top.
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Chaplin wrote:
I agree with everything you guys are saying about the simplicity of a Windsor small block (I used one for the same reason) but there is something to be said for the power, mpg and reliability of a factory Coyote. Plus, a Coyote under the hood does look cool. Add if you need a little more, throw a supercharger on it and you have a ton of power in a very docile package with good street manners.
I agree, while there are pitfalls to late model engine swaps the Coyote has pretty much become the LS of the Ford world. I like them a lot and they are becoming plentiful and cheap. Now the real question is how to stuff a 6R80 in an early Mustang
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MS wrote:
Remember how cool we all thought it was to swap in a 94-2004 Cobra engine in an early car? It looked so cool, but quickly became outdated.
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I wonder how Steve Janic is making out with his swap?
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Let the flaming begin, but its weak that Ford guys get the Coyote and GM guys get the LS for late model engine swaps. The LS retains a cam in block configuration and can be run any number of ways from carbed to minimal EFI to full blown EFI. They were available in a ton of stock sizes from 5.3 to 6.0, plus tons of aftermarket combinations. They had factory HP from whatever the 5.3 truck engines made up to the LS7, which was at least 650HP, and a pulley swap goes well past 750. There are also components to make the LS look old like swap coil covers, etc. Without the OHC configuration its a much simpler engine to package.
Like Billy Bob Thorton said in Bad Santa "they can't all be winners".
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Maybe the Godzilla engine could be a good swap ?
Last edited by Mach173 (9/11/2020 7:31 AM)
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No flaming need TKO, you be right. The mod motor was one of Ford's "better" ideas. The LS is pretty much a Windsor. That was a major error in judgment, which sucks for any Ford hot rodders.
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If the "Godzilla" makes its way in to gas fleet vehicles it will start to become very plentiful, just like the LS. Which is good because it's a good motor, just expensive right now.
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Bearing Bob wrote:
No flaming need TKO, you be right. The mod motor was one of Ford's "better" ideas. The LS is pretty much a Windsor. That was a major error in judgment, which sucks for any Ford hot rodders.
They updated a great design by going to six bolt mains, the valve angle in the heads started at 18 degrees, and I think some of the heads are now like 9 degrees, which used to be super expensive race only stuff back in the day. That's why they breathe so well. Roller rockers stock, etc.
I heard a rumor that the reason Ford continued with the modular engine after its initial teething issues was that the UAW stonewalled them and wouldn't let them change production over for two years because it would have laid off too many factory workers while they retooled. By the time the two years expired they had fixed all the issues except for the 4.6 being too small, the 5.4 spitting spark plugs like a 98lb. hockey player spits teeth, its decided lack of low end torque, and the need to supercharge it if you wanted real power. But hey, Ford sold plenty of them and that's always been the main goal. They've always known what most people want. Trouble is, we don't qualify as "most people".
I do hope that Godzilla, sorry I must say that with a decided Japanese accent and pronounce it Godzirra, becomes a crate reality at a reasonable price.
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