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I have a fresh new set of door panels. As we all know, these are made from effectively thin solid cardboard. They are pretty floppy and subject to absorbing moisture from the air. I'm thinking about mixing some epoxy resin and coating the exposed backs. Perhaps I will line them first with the self adhesive fiberglass tape you use with drywall to further strengthen them before applying the epoxy. Has anyone done this before? Thoughts? Is it a mistake to do this?
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Mochaman used some type of waterproof membrane/paint.
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I always wished they would make the backing out of plastic or something solid.
The board they use is pretty average and usually busts apart when you have to remove them. The big clips used with the backing board just destroys the door panels in my opinion.
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I don't think you have anything to lose. It won't be a complete seal, but you'll seal the largest surface area.
I think whatever the originals were made from was a much higher grade material than what they use now. I think the problem with a company making them from something better is they are afraid no one will buy them if they are more expensive. I can tell you that the plastic panels I used for the rear trim inside my '67 fastback were considerably nicer looking than the beat to death fiberglass originals. Not as rigid though, but that's a positive and a negative depending on what you need them to do.
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I'm very carefully cleaning all the old and "newer" sticky gunk off the metal door skin that was holding on the diy plastic water shield. I plan to clean the door all the way to a completely clean painted surface. Then I will seal all the openings with nicely fitted pieces of duct tape to seal the moisture away from the car's interior. I think these pieces of tape will be easier to remove, clean door, and replace in the future as need arises than this weatherstrip adhesive that is there now. Cleaning this stuff off is a real pain.
I plan to use neodymium magnets to attach the new panel this time instead of the clips. I say "panel" because I'm only working on the driver's door at the moment. If all goes well, I'll perform all the same steps on the new passenger's panel. I'm hoping that making the panel stiffer and stronger using fiberglass mesh tape and resin will strengthen and stiffen the new panel so that it will work better with the magnets for installing and removing without being damaged. The magnets I have are 1 1/4" x 1/16" N52 magnets.
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I did something similar a few years ago with zero issues so far. I used the peel & stick aluminized roofing underlayment at Home Depot and covered the entire back side of the door panel. I used the same stuff to seal ALL the holes and openings in the door itself. It really helped with interior sound dampening...dust...moisture. Be sure and cover the "rods" for door lock and latch to prevent rattles.
Now, when the door is closed I get more of a solid 'thunk' when its slammed! (I also sprayed the inside of the door with truck bed liner to better water proof it...make sure all drain holes are open & slightly enlarged to help promote better drainage.)
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We need pics
Last edited by 6sally6 (9/28/2020 5:31 PM)
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Don’t use self stick drywall tape, the sitckum will prevent epoxy from getting underneath it and just lay on top, it will reduce strength. I would use a medium weight fibreglass cloth over the paper backing instead.
A slightly thinned first coat of epoxy should be used so it will soak into the backing then after cure the cloth and regular viscosity epoxy. Don’t slather the epoxy on too thick, that won’t increase strength.
Home hardware used to have a two part epoxy that was targeted for table top coating,
imo it would be great for this application.
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I would not use duct tape.
Use PVC tape (we purchase locally from a HVAC shop).
Looks like white duct tape without the fibers.
Adhesive is strong, so it might pull paint off...FYI.
I would look at using foil faced fiberglass tape.
Or the foil faced vapor barrier tape.
I’m looking at options too.
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Thanks to my dad.
I learned to use WD-40 to remove sticky gunk like adhesive from stickers.
I have used penetrating oil as well as Windex with ammonia.
Some degreasers will mess up paint surfaces or remove them.
Just have to be careful around paint and upholstery.
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I prefer to use duct tape precisely because it will be easier to remove when necessary.
Regarding cleaning the existing adhesive, I'm well aware of the solvent effectiveness of WD-40. However, it is an expensive solution for the door since so much would be needed. What I found to work for me was to pour about an 1 1/2 inch of diesel fuel into a small container and use a small nylon cleaning brush. I slosh the brush in the diesel fuel to clean the brush then tap the brush on the container to leave the brush only wet. Scrub some of the door, wipe the dissolved adhesive with a paper towel, and repeat over and over. This method made fairly short work of cleaning the door. Then I did use some WD-40 to do a final clean wipe of the door. This is the method I recommend.
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Rufus68 wrote:
I prefer to use duct tape precisely because it will be easier to remove when necessary.
Regarding cleaning the existing adhesive, I'm well aware of the solvent effectiveness of WD-40. However, it is an expensive solution for the door since so much would be needed. What I found to work for me was to pour about an 1 1/2 inch of diesel fuel into a small container and use a small nylon cleaning brush. I slosh the brush in the diesel fuel to clean the brush then tap the brush on the container to leave the brush only wet. Scrub some of the door, wipe the dissolved adhesive with a paper towel, and repeat over and over. This method made fairly short work of cleaning the door. Then I did use some WD-40 to do a final clean wipe of the door. This is the method I recommend.
Pee-yewww! I personnelly tinkz diesel fuel smellz funky. (a lot funky)
Although, my brother-in-law would use it as after shave he luvz diesels so much!!
Different strokerz for different folkerz!
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6sally6 wrote:
Rufus68 wrote:
I prefer to use duct tape precisely because it will be easier to remove when necessary.
Regarding cleaning the existing adhesive, I'm well aware of the solvent effectiveness of WD-40. However, it is an expensive solution for the door since so much would be needed. What I found to work for me was to pour about an 1 1/2 inch of diesel fuel into a small container and use a small nylon cleaning brush. I slosh the brush in the diesel fuel to clean the brush then tap the brush on the container to leave the brush only wet. Scrub some of the door, wipe the dissolved adhesive with a paper towel, and repeat over and over. This method made fairly short work of cleaning the door. Then I did use some WD-40 to do a final clean wipe of the door. This is the method I recommend.Pee-yewww! I personnelly tinkz diesel fuel smellz funky. (a lot funky)
Although, my brother-in-law would use it as after shave he luvz diesels so much!!
Different strokerz for different folkerz!
6s6
Smelling it all day at this point I think I'm immune. It just smells like power to me
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Duct tape adhesive is still a stinky pain to remove with wd40 or deezil fuel
I copy a set of paper door shields onto poly house wrap or tyvec and attach with household strip caulk.Easily removed with hardly any clean up.
As for door panels I have a couple of sheets of .060 ABS waiting to replace the paper crap original backing the next time I have to take them off.
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They sell water shields really reasonable for the doors. I would use those instead of duct tape, which will deteriorate over time. Sealing should not hurt, but plan on using SOMETHING that will hold them flat until they cure.
I have used the Tyvek Priority Mail envelopes from the Post Office (used ones, of course😉) as water shields with good results.
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The modern low sulfur diesel fuel hardly has any odor these days. It is very surprising. At a fraction of the cost of kerosene and low odor to boot, diesel fuel is a bargain. I heat my workshop in the winter with a small simple wood stove. I use some diesel fuel to start the fire each time without leaving any odor in the workshop to give away the easy light secret. Of course, the wood stove has a chimney that draws really well so it does not smoke inside at all.
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They sell water shields really reasonable for the doors. I would use those instead of duct tape, which will deteriorate over time. Sealing should not hurt, but plan on using SOMETHING that will hold them flat until they cure.
I have used the Tyvek Priority Mail envelopes from the Post Office (used ones, of course😉) as water shields with good results.
Seems to me that the first time I replaced my door panels, there was a water shield underneath. It was not in great shape. I do not see replacements in my Mustang catalogues, though. Anyone have that experience?
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NPD has them. Page 44, ,2019. Catalog. Item # 20124- year
Last edited by Rudi (9/29/2020 7:31 AM)
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I installed TMI door panels and stock type treated paper moisture shields in the 66 over five years ago. I used 3M strip-caulk to hold down the shields and have even removed and replaced them on the driver's door once or twice with no problems. The TMI panels seem to be of good quality and even after some serious rain driving do not show any sign of water damage or other failure. The only problem with the paper shields is that they will get brittle and easily tear after a few years if you need to remove them.
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Mochaman, I remember when you created that thread back in 2017. I actually bought my magnets back then. I bought the new door panels when MustangsUnlimited was selling everything off before closing their doors. Now I'm finally working on the doors again. This week I've been working on a project for my wife. I finished it today so tomorrow I'll be able to start on my door panels. I will be able to post a progress report soon as to the solution I settle on for my door panels.
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With the green/blue rubber shield painted on with 2-3 layers I haven't had to use the plastic shield or the tar rooled into long strips to hold it in place.
Magic and simple.
I am going to paint that same rubber stuff on the little gutter for the top on the convertible.
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Don’t forget the water shield not only protects the door panel but keeps the cabin interior side of the door from getting wet if applied as per Ford assembly manual.
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