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1973 Q code I am swapping in a 1970 square bore manifold, need suggestions as to best carb, was looking at Holley Street Brawler 750cfm, elec choke, mechanical secondaries (about 100-150 less than the double pumper with same specs) though I am open to other suggestions. I need to keep the height close to stock as I intend to add either a nasa hood with ram air or the shaker intake.
secondly, dizzy is in poor shape, need to go to electronic, am considering petronix II rtr replacement dizzy with the petronix 1.5 ohm coil using the original resistance wire in order to keep original tach, I don't want to have to replace?reedo the tach. Am open to other suggestions
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Hi, welcome to the best Mustang forum ever. Got more info on what kind of use you will be subjecting the vehicle to.
As for carbs I do like Holley but not mechanical secondaries. For general use vacuum seco’s seem to work better.
You can’t get much better than Ford “Duraspark” distributors, replacement parts available just about anywhere.
Lots of guys here will chime in with other trustworthy suggestions I am sure
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Hi....welcome!
Please tell us.......you DID bump up the CR, right?!
........you DID swap out the "factory-mess" timing gear/timing set, right?!
........you DID get the 3.25 trac-loc rear gear, right?!
........you DID swap the heads for the more "sane"/streetable 2 V heads, right?!
Relax....just pulling-your-chain!!!
Tell us what kinda stuff you got in the engine and what you DO with the Mustang....race-street/strip-grocery getter-weekend 'play-purty'-show-just gaze at it?!
For ME (6sally6) please tell me you have it 'cammed-up & snotty'!!
Your turn
6sally6
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I'm not a huge fan of Holleys. They are harder to tune and don't seem t hold the tune as long or as well as an Edelbrock.
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I have always been intimidated by carburetor technology, although not as much since EFI came along.lol That said when I built my 289 I used what Edelbrock called a performance matched combination or something like that. It consisted of a Performer cam, carb and manifold. Much to my surprise it was great right out of the box. Other than some idle adjustment I haven had to touch it.
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My 289 (.030 over) had the Edelbrock Performer intake, cam, and 1406 carb (600 cfm).
Very peppy and fun even with c4/2.80 gears and more fun with c4/3.25 Currie traction lock.
I had 69 351w heads for both combos as well with Edelbrock springs for 351w.
Nothing fancy, still fun. My primary driving was city/highway driving, no track.
My wife’s truck has a straight 6, 300 cid with a Holley Truck Avenger carb (470 cfm) came with truck.
Played with it recently...by necessity...but was actually surprised how easy it was to work on.
Runs well.
Last time I had a Holley on a car was over 25 years ago.
Guess I learned a bit from these guys here.
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IMO you will be happier with a smaller pot. It's very easy to over carb a street engine and the end result is poor off-idle performance and difficulty getting smooth transitions. I agree with Rudi's comment about mech. secondaries also...just one more thing to get perfect. I honestly believe you will be happier with a 650 or even a 600 cfm pot unless you are doing a lot of racing.
And also, welcome to the best place on the web.
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Worth mentioning.
Quick Flow carbs are identical to Holley, with some improvements. One is adjustable vacuum secondaries. I have been running one on my car for a few yesrs now.
I disagree the Holleys “lose tune”. What is to lose? I agree they are more challenging to “find the tune”, but once dialed in, nothing ever changes. I agree smaller is better. Clevelands inherently suffer from slower fuel mix and flow due to the huge ports and runners. Don’t make it worse by putting too large a carb on it. 650 is just about right but a 600 will have better throttle response.
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Gotta agree with Steve on the losing tune comment. My 670 has stayed “in tune” since it was dialed in many miles and years ago, I honestly can say have it has never been touched since. It still starts with a couple of to the floor gas pedal pumps even after a couple of weeks, it goes through three stages of idle after start up the same as it did when first set up.
My Holley 670 Street Avenger is on a 331ci engine. A long time ago in a conversation l had with with Jon Enyeart of Pony Carbs he said that the 331 would run very well with the 4100 carb he built for the 289 I had. I never did try it because the 670 was working great.
A lot of guys over carb their engines thinking more is better, its not always so.
Also, most out of tune Holleys are caused by owners “out of tuning them”
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Let me clarify about losing tune: the Holleys sold today are a bit different than the ones from years ago, which were decades old at the time I was tuning them. I could get the tune right, but over time, especially on things that sat, the tune would go off and require me to mess with it again. Possibly my experience with them was more of an issue caused by age and wear than the inherent design of the Holley.
That said, the issue of getting the whole fuel curve right on a Holley is 100% real. Most other carbs I've tuned over the years were easier to get dialed in so that the entire curve was optimal, not just idle and WOT.
In the end, people gravitate to what they are comfortable tuning. Years ago I became quite familiar and comfortable tuning Q-Jets and Carters, so the Edelbrock carbs I prefer now were a simple transition. I did a lot of off roading at one point and Holleys are utter garbage for that due to the end mounted float bowls.
Absolutely go with the smaller carb. We get people on here all the time trying to tune a 650 on a mostly stock 289 or 302 and they just don't want to hear that they would be much better off with a 500cfm carb, because its a better match for the engine. Peak flow is only really important if you race the car. For street driving you will be much happier with a smaller carb that responds on the low end.
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TKOPerformance wrote:
For street driving you will be much happier with a smaller carb that responds on the low end.
Giddy up to that... Jon Earnhardt set me straight on this in 2002. Hence why I still have the Autolite 4100 on my car. Perfectly matched for the 289...
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Stevo wrote:
TKOPerformance wrote:
For street driving you will be much happier with a smaller carb that responds on the low end.
Giddy up to that... Jon Earnhardt set me straight on this in 2002. Hence why I still have the Autolite 4100 on my car. Perfectly matched for the 289...
"Soooooooooooooooooo....you're say'in a tunnel ram with twin 750's would NOT be a good choice for my stock 289?! Bummer!
How bout I put a big-honk'in-snotty-roller cam in it? Would that help it?
What sort of gas mileage do you think I might be able to get..........it's my daily driver!
My friend Bubba knows a guy who's cousin bought a FACTORY 454... 66 Mustang! He sez he gets 20-25 MPG and runs regular gas in it! Would mine get about that much?"
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6sally6 wrote:
Stevo wrote:
TKOPerformance wrote:
For street driving you will be much happier with a smaller carb that responds on the low end.
Giddy up to that... Jon Earnhardt set me straight on this in 2002. Hence why I still have the Autolite 4100 on my car. Perfectly matched for the 289...
"Soooooooooooooooooo....you're say'in a tunnel ram with twin 750's would NOT be a good choice for my stock 289?! Bummer!
How bout I put a big-honk'in-snotty-roller cam in it? Would that help it?
What sort of gas mileage do you think I might be able to get..........it's my daily driver!
My friend Bubba knows a guy who's cousin bought a FACTORY 454... 66 Mustang! He sez he gets 20-25 MPG and runs regular gas in it! Would mine get about that much?"
Just make sure to use vacuum secondaries on those carbs and it will run just fine, especially with a snotty cam. The mileage will make a Prius owner turn green (either from getting sick or from envy, you decide). It'll be a great street combination, especially with a 6.50:1 rear gear and a Lenco. Set that shift light at 13,000RPM and all will be a stoplight terror.
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