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11/15/2020 6:09 PM  #1


PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

ok so I think I got the "Dry Pump Shot" straightened out......from the earlier post I simply took compressed air to all the fuel ports and attempted to clean the check valve area....I didnt have starting issues since but just in case I also installed a one way valve in the fuel line......

BUT

Can someone explain why my Edel AVS2 Choke Linkage and Flap Drop EASILY once the car is running?????  I mean if you were to even tap the throttle immediately after starting it, and the idle picks up to warm up the car it will fall open, then stall.......
car shuts off, tap the throttle it closes again...............when off, everything is tight and functions properly, flap tightly springs to the closed position.......

am I the only freakin person that experiences these Hauntings?  I always present abnormal occurrences.

 

11/15/2020 6:53 PM  #2


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Have you adjusted the choke thermostat so the choke barely closes tight when the throttle is moved at ambient temperature?


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11/16/2020 12:45 AM  #3


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

MS wrote:

Have you adjusted the choke thermostat so the choke barely closes tight when the throttle is moved at ambient temperature?

Yes, it's open a small slit when cold and off....when the car starts and builds up RPM, it opens more automatically.....if I don't touch the throttle at all, it will warm up at higher idle ect ect.  But the instant I tap the throttle it nearly opens entirely, and I'm even talking within seconds to 10s, 30, a min. There's no gradual idle decrease as the choke warms up as it should be...

it's the strangest thing cause everything snaps shut and closes properly and tight with the thing off.
I have even been turning it to the "Richer" position (tighter)in stages thinking it required more tension/time to open, and nothing.
It doesn't make any friggin sense.

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11/16/2020 9:59 AM  #4


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Small slit when cold and off...

Maybe adjust that to eliminate the slit and make it close shut. That will help to make it “come off choke” a little slower.


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11/16/2020 11:26 AM  #5


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Ok I will give it a go, but if memory serves me correctly, it doesn't like starting completely shut...

But will this explain why it drops OFF completely seconds after starting AT high idle? 

I wish I could send a video, it describes everything

Last edited by M1Mustang69 (11/16/2020 2:52 PM)

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11/16/2020 7:22 PM  #6


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

It seems to me that the choke valve lever is not connected to the thermostat spring inside the choke cover cap allowing it to flop open all the way.


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11/16/2020 7:40 PM  #7


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

HudginJ3 wrote:

It seems to me that the choke valve lever is not connected to the thermostat spring inside the choke cover cap allowing it to flop open all the way.

^^this

 

11/16/2020 8:05 PM  #8


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

josh-kebob wrote:

HudginJ3 wrote:

It seems to me that the choke valve lever is not connected to the thermostat spring inside the choke cover cap allowing it to flop open all the way.

^^this

 
No, Incorrect.
The issue is NOT the choke CLOSING.......it's staying closed while the car is started and when it's running.

Car off, the choke literally opperates perfectly, snaps shut, idle screw is resting at the highest part of the cam, the flap is tight and springs back closed if opened.

When the Car is Running, and this can be immediate, if the throttle is tapped (hoping to reposition the choke to a slightly lesser cold start-high idle) it just drops the Cam and the Choke Plate Opens entirely. 

If you shut the car off, tap the gas it shuts again....makes no sense!

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11/17/2020 8:47 AM  #9


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

I'm not familiar with the Edelbrook carb, but from what you've stated it seems the vacuum through the main body is overcoming the spring in the choke body.  I suggest checking inside the choke housing, the tab that the choke coil attaches to the choke linkage may be the issue.


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11/17/2020 9:03 AM  #10


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

BobE wrote:

I'm not familiar with the Edelbrook carb, but from what you've stated it seems the vacuumthrough the main body is overcoming the spring in the choke body.  I suggest checking inside the choke housing, the tab that the choke coil attaches to the choke linkage may be the issue.

 
That's exactly what I was thinking, but that spring is tight. Snaps shut.....and I can't adjust it any tighter otherwise it won't open all the way....

As far as how it grabs the linkage, it was just the style that rests against it, so thinking as you are, I made a loop so it grabs the pin-------no room for it to travel independently.

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11/17/2020 11:19 AM  #11


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

M1Mustang69 wrote:

BobE wrote:

I'm not familiar with the Edelbrook carb, but from what you've stated it seems the vacuumthrough the main body is overcoming the spring in the choke body.  I suggest checking inside the choke housing, the tab that the choke coil attaches to the choke linkage may be the issue.

 
That's exactly what I was thinking, but that spring is tight. Snaps shut.....and I can't adjust it any tighter otherwise it won't open all the way....

As far as how it grabs the linkage, it was just the style that rests against it, so thinking as you are, I made a loop so it grabs the pin-------no room for it to travel independently.

 


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11/17/2020 1:23 PM  #12


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Thanks Josh, or Mr.Kebob.

I have this both printed and digital.....were you able to find "closed tight choke flops open immediately after cold start?"

I couldn't........

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11/17/2020 4:07 PM  #13


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Not yet but my experience with eddy carbs is to set them up per their obstruction and/or double check your work against their instructions for best results.

Did this just start happening or after some carb work? Perhaps Linda Blair established residence in your carb...

 

11/17/2020 7:02 PM  #14


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Did this right from the Box.........I just have been finally taking the time to address it......as long as I dont touch the gas for 2-3min after starting, it will HIGH IDLE warm up enough so that it wont stall after choke opens.......

Its just sucks knowing its not operating properly and the car is loud so it is inconvenient for the neighbours!

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11/17/2020 7:57 PM  #15


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

At this point, I'd call edelbrock tech support. They have an 800 number. Let them scratch their heads and give yours a rest. To me, sounds like something wasn't assembled correctly since it's been like this right out da box. I'd go so far as to take pics of the choke linkage for them to look at it. Worth a shot especially after what that carb cost you.

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11/18/2020 11:02 AM  #16


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Good idea

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11/20/2020 11:34 PM  #17


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

M1Mustang69 wrote:

josh-kebob wrote:

HudginJ3 wrote:

It seems to me that the choke valve lever is not connected to the thermostat spring inside the choke cover cap allowing it to flop open all the way.

^^this

 
No, Incorrect.
The issue is NOT the choke CLOSING.......it's staying closed while the car is started and when it's running.

Car off, the choke literally opperates perfectly, snaps shut, idle screw is resting at the highest part of the cam, the flap is tight and springs back closed if opened.

When the Car is Running, and this can be immediate, if the throttle is tapped (hoping to reposition the choke to a slightly lesser cold start-high idle) it just drops the Cam and the Choke Plate Opens entirely.

If you shut the car off, tap the gas it shuts again....makes no sense!

From what I have read it sounds as the ele choke is not set up correct. When a ele choke is working properly you can turn it clockwise and it will  start to close the flap, or counter clokwise and it will open it. It does not need to be set farther than just closed.  The 12v key on will heat the spring and start to open the flap in just a couple of minutes. if set up right the choke can pull off of the detent and the carb will drop down to idle. Do all of the adjusting with the car off and  carb set at WOT . you should be able to open and close the flap just by turning the black choke mod clockwise or counter clockwise. If this isnt happing then the spring inside is not on the tab ( there is a tab inside that hooks on a flat tab that is connected the the flap by a short rod) or the rod is not on the back side and is hanging up. 
let me know I am pretty good wit elde carbs and live in the NW where we need chokes.


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11/21/2020 3:17 AM  #18


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Cab4word67 wrote:

M1Mustang69 wrote:

josh-kebob wrote:


^^this

 
No, Incorrect.
The issue is NOT the choke CLOSING.......it's staying closed while the car is started and when it's running.

Car off, the choke literally opperates perfectly, snaps shut, idle screw is resting at the highest part of the cam, the flap is tight and springs back closed if opened.

When the Car is Running, and this can be immediate, if the throttle is tapped (hoping to reposition the choke to a slightly lesser cold start-high idle) it just drops the Cam and the Choke Plate Opens entirely.

If you shut the car off, tap the gas it shuts again....makes no sense!

From what I have read it sounds as the ele choke is not set up correct. When a ele choke is working properly you can turn it clockwise and it will  start to close the flap, or counter clokwise and it will open it. It does not need to be set farther than just closed.  The 12v key on will heat the spring and start to open the flap in just a couple of minutes. if set up right the choke can pull off of the detent and the carb will drop down to idle. Do all of the adjusting with the car off and  carb set at WOT . you should be able to open and close the flap just by turning the black choke mod clockwise or counter clockwise. If this isnt happing then the spring inside is not on the tab ( there is a tab inside that hooks on a flat tab that is connected the the flap by a short rod) or the rod is not on the back side and is hanging up. 
let me know I am pretty good wit elde carbs and live in the NW where we need chokes.

WOW awesome, that was a great response! 
All Steps and functions are correct, accept for 1, WOT. I did not know you set the choke at WOT?
in Fact I didn't think it was possible to, looking back on how it operates, I'm under the impression the linkages won't allow the choke to close with the throttle in any position other than resting idle-------but I'm going to revisit this cause now I'm curious....if the proper way to set the AVS2 choke is at WOT, I missed that step! 
Ty Can't

(Fyi I made a loop on the choke spring tab so it will "Hug" the Choke Linkage Tab to rule out any error in that area)

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11/21/2020 11:11 AM  #19


Re: PART 2 STARTS DRY (NO FUEL) CHOKE DROPS?

Yes I could have been mistaken on the WOT but its been a while. I just remember something about it hanging up? I too will look. found it it was for ajusting the fast idle screw. Im bad. 
But realy the choke should not "snap shut" as he is discribing
 

Last edited by Cab4word67 (11/21/2020 11:16 AM)


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