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11/28/2020 8:00 AM  #1


Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

I have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator: Professional Parts: 10679

According to their instructions:

Mustang Regulators - 10678/10679 (1986-'93 5.0L Ford) and 10680/10681 (1994-'95 5.0L Ford plus some other applications) - These regulators bolt onto the stock (or aftermarket) fuel rails but provide 25-75 PSI adjustability.

Special Note: All EFI regulators have a vacuum hose connection that is for boost reference on supercharged vehicles. If you do not have a supercharger, do not put a hose or a cap on this fitting. It acts as a breather for the regulator.


As I do not have a supercharger, I don't have a vacuum line connected to this port.  This has always seemed odd to me.  My fuel pressure was ~40 psi with 19lb injectors and 19lb calibrated MAF.  After upgrading to 24lb injector/maf it's reading 60 psi.  So I want to dial it back, but I'm wondering if this no vacuum line thing could be causing an issue.
 

 

11/28/2020 8:08 AM  #2


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

The stock setup had the vac line.  My adjustable reg has a vac line.  The regulator, stock or adjustable will raise the pressure a bit due to LOW manifold vac. (open throttle, hard work).  So I believe you want that vac line connected.

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11/29/2020 7:40 AM  #3


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

All stock and aftermarket FRPs I've ever seen for a Fox Mustang use a vacuum line to adjust fuel pressure based on engine loading.  That the fuel pressure is variable is assumed in the fueling tables programmed into the ECU.  Without a vacuum line connected to the FPR you will have running issues because fueling is only adjusted by the ECU from what is programmed in when the ECU is reading off the O2 sensors, which is only a tiny portion of the time with the EECIV.  All start up, warm up, etc, is done using only programming with zero input from the O2s. 
 

 

11/29/2020 1:47 PM  #4


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

TKOPerformance wrote:

All stock and aftermarket FRPs I've ever seen for a Fox Mustang use a vacuum line to adjust fuel pressure based on engine loading.  That the fuel pressure is variable is assumed in the fueling tables programmed into the ECU.  Without a vacuum line connected to the FPR you will have running issues because fueling is only adjusted by the ECU from what is programmed in when the ECU is reading off the O2 sensors, which is only a tiny portion of the time with the EECIV.  All start up, warm up, etc, is done using only programming with zero input from the O2s. 
 

Well I'm going to call tomorrow.  Their instructions are pretty clear to not connect that line. 

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11/29/2020 4:14 PM  #5


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

I would be sure to ask them specifically how the regulator compensates for the lower pressure required at idle, because without vacuum assistance the pressure will be too high and the engine will run rich at idle.  The only way to get around this would be with tuning.  Essentially the purpose of the vacuum line is to provide assist for the spring that opens the return line during low demand conditions.  The vacuum line on the stock regulator has nothing to do with boost, and this is not how a stock Ford EECIV system handles fuel enrichment under boost (it takes a reading off the MAP sensor and adjusts injector PW accordingly based on a table).  Aftermarket blower and turbo systems for years used a rising rate fuel pressure regulator or RRFPR that essentially did what these instructions are telling you to do.  Such systems have largely fallen out of use, as they are slower to react than electronic based systems and on a ragged edge tune up can allow the engine to go lean and nothing good happens when that happens under boost. 

 

11/29/2020 5:03 PM  #6


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

Yeah the whole thing seems to go against common sense. Heck even aftermarket FI systems need to know which regulator you have. Below is an excerpt from TunerStudio which is what people use to tune Megasquirt systems.

"By preference, fuel systems use a vacuum/boost referenced regulator that maintains line pressure Xbar above inlet pressure. Some GM fuel systems use a fixed fuel pressure referenced to ambient air pressure instead. The vac referenced systems give even injector flow across all inlet pressure conditions. The un-referenced systems give a varying flow and require a calculation within the ECU to compensate. Enabling 'Fixed' here turns on that automatic compensation."

 

11/30/2020 4:21 PM  #7


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

According to the tech support guy "if the original fuel pressure regulator had a vacuum line hooked up then this should have a vacuum line hooked up too".  I asked why this is in direct contrast to the instructions provided and he said those are 'referring to something else' even though this exact part number is listed for those instructions. 

Doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence that they know what they are doing.

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11/30/2020 5:10 PM  #8


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

TremendousWand wrote:

According to the tech support guy "if the original fuel pressure regulator had a vacuum line hooked up then this should have a vacuum line hooked up too".  I asked why this is in direct contrast to the instructions provided and he said those are 'referring to something else' even though this exact part number is listed for those instructions. 

Doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence that they know what they are doing.

Yeah, I think someone fouled up their docs and sadly they have no real support. If I were you I'd set the base fuel pressure per a stock Mustang recommendation (~38 psi with no vacuum IIRC) and then hook up the vacuum line and be done with it.

Last edited by Raymond_B (11/30/2020 5:11 PM)

 

11/30/2020 6:09 PM  #9


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

TremendousWand wrote:

According to the tech support guy "if the original fuel pressure regulator had a vacuum line hooked up then this should have a vacuum line hooked up too".  I asked why this is in direct contrast to the instructions provided and he said those are 'referring to something else' even though this exact part number is listed for those instructions. 

Doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence that they know what they are doing.

Uh, its a regulator that only fits the fuel rails on a Ford.  All Fords had a vacuum line connected.  Translation: we wrote one set of instructions for all the regulators we sell, but couldn't be bothered to check that the changes we made to the universal instructions were actually accurate for each application specific regulator we sell.  
 

 

12/03/2020 5:56 PM  #10


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

My MSD ATOMIC EFI system I had on my 427 came with a regulator that had the vacuum port.  I also followed the instructions and left the port open since my engine was normally aspirated.

I got rid of the EFI because it had a problem where the fuel pressure would go to six psi during high rpm hard acceleration, leaving me on the side of the road not running for five minutes, until something reset and it would restart.

After reading previous replies here about the regulator port, I am wondering if that had anything to do with my flame-out condition.

My 750 Holley has worked perfectly since the efi was removed, but I lost half the cost of all that efi stuff.

Anyone know?


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12/03/2020 6:55 PM  #11


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

MS wrote:

My MSD ATOMIC EFI system I had on my 427 came with a regulator that had the vacuum port. I also followed the instructions and left the port open since my engine was normally aspirated.

I got rid of the EFI because it had a problem where the fuel pressure would go to six psi during high rpm hard acceleration, leaving me on the side of the road not running for five minutes, until something reset and it would restart.

After reading previous replies here about the regulator port, I am wondering if that had anything to do with my flame-out condition.

My 750 Holley has worked perfectly since the efi was removed, but I lost half the cost of all that efi stuff.

Anyone know?

I can't say for sure, but the vacuum line on a Ford EFI system does nothing to increase pressure under WOT, where there would be no vacuum.  Its only to provide assist to reduce pressure under conditions of high vacuum.  There are different types of regulators though that operate differently.  The reset after not running for 5 minutes would lead me to believe that the issue was electronic in nature, but hard to say for sure. 

 

12/03/2020 8:48 PM  #12


Re: Vacuum Hose on Fuel Pressure Regulator

I think the fuel pump could not keep up or something in the regulator was acting up. Def nothing to do with the vacuum line.

 

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