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2/03/2021 7:23 PM  #1


MS clutch cable

I am and have been reading the instructions on the MS clutch cable and the quadrant. while the quadrant is welded in place no issue there.
where should the clutch pedal be located when drilling the hole for the cable? all the way down to the floor? half way or perhaps in the approximate level of where the pedal should be? does it really make a difference?

 

2/03/2021 7:54 PM  #2


Re: MS clutch cable

That is the beauty of using the quadrant.   No matter where the pedal is located, the cable still goes horizontal from the top of the quadrant. 
But, just so you have a standard to go by, place the clutch pedal in static, up position and measure from there using a straightedge.


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2/03/2021 8:40 PM  #3


Re: MS clutch cable

thank you, I appreciate it.

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2/03/2021 8:53 PM  #4


Re: MS clutch cable

As a parallel idea...Does the cable clutch give more room for power brakes?  I am considering PB and wonder if the scope of my thinking needs to expand.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

2/04/2021 6:33 AM  #5


Re: MS clutch cable

I located the hole by making a bushing for a 1/4" drill bit that rode in the hole in the firewall mount   Then I assembled the cable and looked at where I needed to tweak the hole to get the cable centered in the hole and just enlarged it as required with a die grinder. 

As far as more room for power brakes, I don't think so, because the cars had power brakes and manual transmissions from the factory.  I will however say that IMO the cable is a simpler system than a Z-bar, while still providing the same feedback as a Z-bar.  I greatly prefer a mechanical clutch over hydraulic for this reason. 

 

2/04/2021 7:21 AM  #6


Re: MS clutch cable

here is what I am considering doing to locate he hole. clutch pedal all the way up, a long 1/16" drill bit on a right angle drill, lay the drill bit in the quadrant and drill the hole in the fire wall. I realize that drill bit might be to long but it can be cut down to a length that could work, or at the very least mark the fire wall location. just an idea I am considering.
 

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2/04/2021 8:57 AM  #7


Re: MS clutch cable

lowercasesteve wrote:

As a parallel idea...Does the cable clutch give more room for power brakes?  I am considering PB and wonder if the scope of my thinking needs to expand.

YES! That is another benefit of MS' design.  With the elevated cable, the booster can then occupy some of the space the z bar linkage takes up.

 

2/04/2021 10:04 AM  #8


Re: MS clutch cable

lowercasesteve wrote:

As a parallel idea...Does the cable clutch give more room for power brakes?  I am considering PB and wonder if the scope of my thinking needs to expand.

The MustangSteve clutch cable system does allow for the larger Fox body booster really helping in the power booster department.  With that said, once my new shop is built, this spring I'm continuing work on developing a MustangSteve hydraulic clutch system.  In conjunction with that will be a whole new power brake system platform. 


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2/05/2021 3:49 PM  #9


Re: MS clutch cable

This is my install but I was lucky to have the cowl out of the way making my install easier but you will get the idea of location and how to get there.

https://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=11388 

 

2/05/2021 9:15 PM  #10


Re: MS clutch cable

trying to put this on my 64 falcon, here are the issues i am having with the billet brace. the pinch weld is not deep enough to drill holes thru to mount the billet brace. the pinch weld is not flat, the drop is over 1/2" in the length of where the billet brace would mount.
 here is what I am considering as a fix. mount a plate on the fire wall, to distribute the weight of the action of the clutch, so the fire wall won't crack. mount the billet brace directly to the fire wall horizontally, after drilling new holes. since the billet piece is 4" long, is 1/8" steel plate  say 4" larger than all the measurements, both height and width sufficient

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2/06/2021 7:21 AM  #11


Re: MS clutch cable

The pinch weld isn't flat on a Mustang either.  You will have to relieve two areas to get the bolts to sit flat due to a small vertical rib (about 1/8-1/4" tall).  A minute with a die grinder in the offending areas takes care of that.  Add a little paint when you're done to prevent surface rust. 

If the area it needs to mount is not level (slopes downward) I would just bend it until it is.  An adjustable wrench works really well for bending sheetmetal.  It can be adjusted to where the jaws are thin, they are reasonably long, and you have decent leverage due to the length of the handle.  You can heat up the paint with a heat gun to prevent cracking and add some tape to the jaws to prevent marring.  Remember, we're only talking about a 4" section.

 

2/06/2021 8:55 AM  #12


Re: MS clutch cable

the lip does not come put far enough to even drill the bolt holes for the vertical mounting of the billet brace. add to that, the distance  of where the 1/2" is located is not even close to the pinch weld. falcons are just a bit different in the cowl areas as to they are in the mustangs.
 

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2/06/2021 11:25 AM  #13


Re: MS clutch cable

Hmn, hopefully someone who has installed the setup on a Falcon can chime in.  I know there are a couple members who have done it. 

 

2/06/2021 3:50 PM  #14


Re: MS clutch cable

Typically a spacer is required on Falcons to lower the billet brace where the hole will line ip with the quadrant.  Some customers have welded extra metal to the pinch weld. 

Bottom line:  make whatever you use fit solid against the firewall where it cannot move.  Clutch actuation forces are quite large, so make it strong. 
My 66 has a length of angle iron with a large washer welded to it, bolted to the pinch weld.  This was my prototype design before the aluminum adjustable block was designed.


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2/06/2021 3:55 PM  #15


Re: MS clutch cable



A pic of my 66 Mustang prototype. Just for ideas.  Whatever you come up with that is very sturdy will do the job.


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2/06/2021 7:50 PM  #16


Re: MS clutch cable

not much in favor of welding on a painted car. I have been working on getting the fly wheel, clutch and bell housing in. just don't feel like installing the trans tonight. still considering how I want to approach the fire wall and bracket. since I don't watch any professional sports it will give me something to do tomorrow.

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