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12/20/2024 3:37 PM  #1


1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Good afternoon, gentlemen.
My 289 is acting up. I recently got my car roadworthy and discovered that wires 2 & 3 were crossed at the distributor cap. The rough idle and missing were cured. However, the rocker arms were clacking, so I adjusted the valves properly this time. They had only been adjusted statically when the engine had been assembled 8 years ago. This time I also adjusted them statically and in the proper firing order (1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8).
BTW, I drove the car with the misadjusted valves for 30+ miles over a four-day period. It ran okay despite the clacking.
The problem is this: The clacking is gone, but the engine will only run when I keep the revs up (above 2500 RPM, constantly feathering the pedal). As soon as I let up on the gas the engine slows down and dies. It can be started immediately but dies again when the pedal is released. The engine revs like a champ and does sound strong, but it will not idle. I detected a slight miss at the high revs, but I am not sure if this is part of the problem. There was no miss before I readjusted the valves.
I will be able to get back on it after the New Year, but I will appreciate any ideas. The car is a 1964 Falcon, 289, 4 spd with the Mustang Steve clutch cable kit. Merry Christmas.

Last edited by moon4964 (1/21/2025 7:59 PM)

 

12/20/2024 5:32 PM  #2


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Nice!  I had one back in Hs.  I also had a two door post and a 67 two door post.   

As for your engine, lots of questions to digest before one could really help.   Stock cam?   

Did the lifters bleed down properly before you re adjusted them?   

I suggest watching a you tube video or two on re adjusting rockers on an already run engine.   Then things can be eliminated one by one like say the carb accelerator pump diaphram, which are notorious for hardening with today's fuels.  Timing.  Plugs.  Etc. Etc.


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12/20/2024 6:54 PM  #3


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Stock cam, hyd lifters. EdelbrIock 500 CFM carb. I have watched a couple videos and followed their instructions.  I will watch them again. Can you explain the 'bleed down' comment? What puzzled me is that the engine ran rather well when things were not adjusted properly.  Just the clacking of the rocker arms. I will be looking at the carb more closely when I get back after the New Year.

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12/20/2024 7:12 PM  #4


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2016/10/20/ask-away-jeff-smith-set-preload-hydraulic-lifters-important/


On a new lifter, that little center piston pushes real easy.  After an engine has been run, if the lifter is functioning properly, those lifters fill up with oil, and can be very hard to press back down, hence bleed.   So on an engine that was improperly adjusted from the build, they can be full of oil and stubborn.   This is what the article starts to talk about further down.  The idea is to get to zero lash, with that inner piston not compressed, THEN the final turn is what slightly compresses the inner piston of the lifter.   Problems arise when one is bottomed out, or refuses to bleed down.


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12/20/2024 7:28 PM  #5


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Thanks, Greg B.I have read the explanations and will try to digest them.

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12/20/2024 11:07 PM  #6


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Since it ran fine with valves a bit loose and runs bad after adjustment, I am betting you overtightened the adjustment. The valves are now held open slightly causing it to lose compression and not run.
You need to adjust the valves properly.


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12/20/2024 11:35 PM  #7


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Thanks, Steve. I will make the adjustments after the New Year and report back.

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12/21/2024 7:21 AM  #8


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

I agree with MS, most likely to tight.

 

12/21/2024 7:42 AM  #9


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Yep, I concur.  I did this on a 350 I built years ago.  My neighbor came over and head it crank and knew immediately what I did wrong.  He adjusted the valves and she lit off immediately. 

 

12/21/2024 8:44 AM  #10


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

This video will help ya.
I do it slightly different than described in video.
I move pushrod up and down until play is gone.
Then I add the additional 1/2-3/4 turn past  “Zero Lash”

https://youtu.be/5EGlb_VpTAw?si=8ymIjS4Mr4gtwT-B

Last edited by Nos681 (12/21/2024 9:03 AM)

 

12/21/2024 9:34 AM  #11


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue


After loosening the rocker, rotate the pushrod between your fingers while tightening the rocker until you just feel the pushrod stop turning. Then rotate an additional 1/2 turn. Then go to the next valve, always following the order as described in the picture.

I have thet picture in my shop because I can never remember which one to do.


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12/21/2024 12:31 PM  #12


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

As I stated, I will be going through the procedure after the New Year. I have been adjusting them statically. Is this the recommended procedure?  This was the method i used when I built the engine.

Last edited by moon4964 (1/21/2025 8:00 PM)

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12/21/2024 12:53 PM  #13


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

I've never been a fan of adjusting them while the engine is running.  It tends to throw oil everywhere.  I've seen guys cut up old valve covers to try and make shields to lessen it, but its still an unnecessary mess IMO.  No reason not to do them statically, especially on a hydraulic cam. 

Personally I've never had much luck trying to turn the pushrods.  They always come out too tight when I do it that way.  I move the pushrod up an down instead.  when the slack is gone I go another 1/2 turn
 

 

12/21/2024 4:10 PM  #14


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

TKO, you just aren’t holding your mouth right…


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12/21/2024 4:44 PM  #15


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

If it ran properly before adjusting and crappy after, it's possible that you jarred something loose or reconnected something incorrectly after the job was done.  Take a close look, at everything, to make sure everything's where it should be.  Always check the easy things first.


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12/21/2024 4:55 PM  #16


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

John Ha wrote:

If it ran properly before adjusting and crappy after, it's possible that you jarred something loose or reconnected something incorrectly after the job was done.  Take a close look, at everything, to make sure everything's where it should be.  Always check the easy things first.

Yup - if it ran good, and you did something to it, and it runs crappy - go back to the last thing you did and check that. Also, make single adjustments and ops check them before moving on to another step. Making multiple adjustments at once makes it harder to pinpoint which adjustment you made is causing the problem, if it still runs bad.
 


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12/21/2024 5:20 PM  #17


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

All will be revealed, gentlemen, after the New Year. Each of you has been very helpful.

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12/22/2024 4:45 PM  #18


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

I'll be the last to say it.... adjust the valves like stated above. BECAUSE.......
Back when I was "less-learned".. I decided to adjust the valves (while running) to quieten down the old 302 engine in a truck I just bought. I went through it a couple times to make the 'click-clack' go away. (it did)
I didn't drive it very long at all before it started skipping.
Burnt an exhaust valve !
Expensive life lesson
6sally6

Last edited by 6sally6 (12/22/2024 4:46 PM)


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1/11/2025 7:32 PM  #19


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Update on valve adjustment issue:
As promised, I readjusted the valves today, but situation has not changed. I was very careful having spent 4.5 hours on the task.
!. I checked the compression on each cylinder. 7 of the 8 measured ~140psi+. One cylinder was down around 120psi. This could have been caused by a loose connection at the plug port.
2. I loosened all the lifters and followed the procedure as shown on YouTube and suggested previously by one of the respondents
3. Put all back together and started the engine. Valve lifters click/clack not evident, but the was a pop through the carb, just like before. The engine will run when I keep the idle up with the throttle.

What am I missing? All suggestions have been helpful, and any further ones will be appreciated.

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1/11/2025 8:54 PM  #20


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

What method did you use to adjust the valves?
Did any of them seem to require more adjustment than the others?  I.e.; they had to be screwed down farther than the others? 
This would be evident with more threads showing above the adjusting nut.


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1/12/2025 5:23 AM  #21


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Did you do the compression check before or after you set the valves?   The lower cylinder could have one of the valves hanging open just enough to cause the pop through the carburetor and the lower psi.

 

1/12/2025 5:52 AM  #22


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

The compression test was performed prior to readjustment. Today I will check the compression again. I will also look at the amount of thread above each adjustment nut.
When I first assembled the engine, I used the method described in the "How to Rebuild a Small Block Ford" manual, i.e. rotate the engine in the firing order and adjust the exhaust and intake valves on certain cylinders.
I used this method:
https://youtu.be/5EGlb_VpTAw?si=8ymIjS4Mr4gtwT-B

Last edited by moon4964 (1/21/2025 8:01 PM)

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1/12/2025 7:11 AM  #23


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

moon4964 wrote:

The compression test was performed prior to readjustment. Today I will check the compression again. I will also look at the amount of thread above each adjustment nut.
When I first assembled the engine, I used the method described in the "How to Rebuild a Small Block Ford" manual, i.e. rotate the engine in the firing order and adjust the exhaust and intake valves on certain cylinders.
I used this method:
https://youtu.be/5EGlb_VpTAw?si=8ymIjS4Mr4gtwT-Bhttps://youtu.be/5EGlb_VpTAw?si=8ymIjS4Mr4gtwT-B

 
I think you might have better luck following his method of just taking the play out of each push rod and rotate 90 and repeat until all have zero lash. 

Maybe you have a lifter or two bleeding down after it sits for a while and is no longer pumped up when you set the zero lash?

 

1/12/2025 8:58 AM  #24


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

moon4964 wrote:

Update on valve adjustment issue:

3. Put all back together and started the engine. Valve lifters click/clack not evident, but the was a pop through the carb, just like before. The engine will run when I keep the idle up with the throttle..

Popping through the carb usually indicates a timing issue.  Are you sure you didn't bump the distributor or accidentally install a couple of the wires on the wrong cap terminals or plugs?  Also, the fact that you need to keep the throttle open could suggest a vacuum leak.  Have you checked all of your vacuum lines to confirm that they are properly connected or capped?


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1/12/2025 6:18 PM  #25


Re: 1965 Ford 289 valve adjustment and idling issue

Hi, John and all the other Mustangers.
Today, I rechecked compression in each cylinder. Numbers 1 thru 5 were 120-140psi. Number 4 hit slightly above 140.
Cylinders 6,7, & 8 hovered around 100psi. I pulled the left valve cover and readjusted these lifters. 6 and 8 came up above 120. Number 7 was zero. Fearing the worst, I played with the adjusting nuts and found that these two lifters did not like being tightened 1/2 to 3/4 turns after zero lash had been achieved. I slacked off the nuts just enough to get the compression above 120psi and no clacking of the rockers.
Started the engine and it idles smoothly. I will recheck the ignition timing and carb idle adjustments this week and will report back after the test drive.
I appreciate all the responses. You have proven that Mustang Stevers are a great resource. I will check for vacuum leaks during the ignition timing exercise.
PS The Mustang Steve clutch cable kit works well in the Falcon. I enlisted the welding students at Wake County (NC) Tech to handle all the clutch pedal rework.
 

Last edited by moon4964 (1/12/2025 6:48 PM)

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