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5/01/2021 7:02 PM  #1


Whats it like...

to replace the wiring up thru the steering column of my 65 Fastback??   Last couple times I've had my car out I experienced an issue where my volt gauge was slamming back and forth during a turn.  I could hear a clicking sound also (no it wasnt my turn signal)  no somke, no blown fuses.  Not sure what the cause is!!  Thinking maybe something up in the column rubbing a wire

 

5/01/2021 7:38 PM  #2


Re: Whats it like...

Do you have stock wiring?
Where does the voltage for the volt meter come from? (Volt meter ain't stock)
Did you try unpluging  the wire to the steering column? I think there are 2, one at a time, this may help locate the problem.


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5/01/2021 8:48 PM  #3


Re: Whats it like...

Unplug the big yellow wire under the column. In that big connector to the harness.  It will sometimes ground out momentarily as the wheel is turned, especially if the steering wheel is aftermarket.  Mine did that until the smoke finally leaked out.


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5/01/2021 9:02 PM  #4


Re: Whats it like...

Yup...that yellow wire is #460 I think.  It comes from the HL switch and provides power to the horn through the horn switch.  The clicking you were hearing is probably the circuit breaker in the HL switch cycling as that yellow wire is being grounded....not good.  This is what put Sal in the shop at Steve's back at the 2010 bash.  If it were night you'd be loosing you headlights.
Once you fix that you can easily do a little mod to use a horn relay and turn the horn button into a ground switch instead of a 12v power switch.  I have a simple diagram if you decide to go that way.

BB1
 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

5/02/2021 5:09 AM  #5


Re: Whats it like...

I remember his issue in 2010, in the middle of Steve's driveway till 10 oclock at night!  send me that wiring diagram,  The breaker was more that likely the clicking sound.  I prefer to fix this BEFORE the smoke leaks out!!

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5/02/2021 5:42 AM  #6


Re: Whats it like...

wsinsle wrote:

Do you have stock wiring?
Where does the voltage for the volt meter come from? (Volt meter ain't stock)
Did you try unpluging  the wire to the steering column? I think there are 2, one at a time, this may help locate the problem.

Walt, no it's not stock!  I dont remember exactly where the power comes from, too many years ago!!  
Are you coming to the Bash this year???  I don't think we've seen you since Montrose!  I'll never forget the trip you, Joe and I took down the  550 to Ouray!

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5/02/2021 6:58 AM  #7


Re: Whats it like...

Bullet Bob and Cab4word67 both have great ways to modify the horn wiring.

https://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=6242

 

5/02/2021 7:20 AM  #8


Re: Whats it like...

terry wrote:

I remember his issue in 2010, in the middle of Steve's driveway till 10 oclock at night!  send me that wiring diagram,  The breaker was more that likely the clicking sound.  I prefer to fix this BEFORE the smoke leaks out!!

PM your email addy, Terry and I'll send it.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

5/02/2021 7:26 AM  #9


Re: Whats it like...

Thanks!!  I have my horn wired to a relay.  The relay is under the hood with the rest of them!!  I'll have to rethink how I wired it!  I believe I cut into the wires going straight to the horns and wired in a relay there.  I'll have to dig into it and see what I can cipher!!!

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5/02/2021 7:28 AM  #10


Re: Whats it like...

Bullet Bob wrote:

terry wrote:

I remember his issue in 2010, in the middle of Steve's driveway till 10 oclock at night!  send me that wiring diagram,  The breaker was more that likely the clicking sound.  I prefer to fix this BEFORE the smoke leaks out!!

PM your email addy, Terry and I'll send it.

BB its trobbinsplumbing@gmail.com 

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5/02/2021 7:44 AM  #11


Re: Whats it like...

On the waaaaaaaay......


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5/02/2021 7:46 AM  #12


Re: Whats it like...

terry wrote:

wsinsle wrote:

Do you have stock wiring?
Where does the voltage for the volt meter come from? (Volt meter ain't stock)
Did you try unpluging  the wire to the steering column? I think there are 2, one at a time, this may help locate the problem.

Walt, no it's not stock!  I dont remember exactly where the power comes from, too many years ago!!  
Are you coming to the Bash this year???  I don't think we've seen you since Montrose!  I'll never forget the trip you, Joe and I took down the  550 to Ouray!

No Terry, not going to make the bash. Still finishing up Brenda's and my moms estate. That was a great ride and I loved Joe's stories.

I vaguely remember posting on this in 2010 (maybe something else), hard to believe it was that long ago. 


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5/02/2021 9:14 AM  #13


Re: Whats it like...

Seems to me Sal’s DIAGNOSIS was attempted in the driveway at 10pm and then moved into the shop to complete after midnight and the consumption of a few adult beverages. I had a really great picture of the pit crew that filled my shop during that event in my computer until all was lost in the great covid computer crash of 2020.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/02/2021 10:51 AM  #14


Re: Whats it like...

your probably correct on that recollection of events, Steve!  I just remember the episode taking place in the driveway.  Bestest thing I remember about that bash was it was my first along with several others first!  Made some great friends that trip, some still are and some..............not so much..............

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5/02/2021 11:00 AM  #15


Re: Whats it like...

I think it was MS...Don Sellars....Corky....BILLY WALTON...and 6sally6 (maybe Jerry Fitch?) finally breaking up the "party-in-the-garage" around 2-ish. I believe we solved the issue by stealing a piece from Ramses's Mustang! Memory is a little foggy (I've slept since then!)
6sally6
Made me realize how folks on this board will NOT leave you in a bind!!


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5/03/2021 10:44 AM  #16


Re: Whats it like...

To answer the original question...

Replace the wiring whenever a new turn signal switch is installed.  The wiring comes on the switch, but without the big square plastic connector at the bottom. 
To avoid having to make a sketch every time, I simply cut the wires about 1” away from that plug, leaving enough of the color-coded wires in the plug to ID where the new wires go.  Then, once you fish the new wires down through the column tube (there is internal conduit in there where they fit through) just remove the 1” long wires one at a time and replace them with the new wire having the same color. You can use a small brass tubing to press the tang on the old wire’s connector along with a little tension on the wire to get it to release from the plug. The ink tube from an old ball point pen works great.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/03/2021 1:22 PM  #17


Re: Whats it like...

MS wrote:

To answer the original question...You can use a small brass tubing to press the tang on the old wire’s connector along with a little tension on the wire to get it to release from the plug. The ink tube from an old ball point pen works great.

When I recently replaced my turn signal switch I must have tried every one of the 1000 ball point pen tubes I have here and they were all too small.  Fortunately I had a piece of brass tubing laying around (ID is either 1/16" or 3/32" - not sure) that worked well for removing the pins from the connector.  It's not hard to string the wires.  I taped the ends together with a piece of twine attached to the ends before I pulled the old harness out and used the twine taped to the new harness to pull the new harness through.  It's much easier if you remove that collar that sits on the end of the column just below the steering wheel, thread the harness through that first, then into the column.
 

Last edited by John Ha (5/03/2021 1:26 PM)


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5/03/2021 1:40 PM  #18


Re: Whats it like...

Originally back  in the day, the first ball point pen ink tubes were all  made from brass.
I’ll bet few here remember that bit of trivia.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

5/03/2021 1:49 PM  #19


Re: Whats it like...

I wasn't there for the big rewire in MS's driveway - I think it happened before I got there the next day. I do recall BB working on Glen's wiring while up on Daze's lift in his garage while Glen and Hakan did a front end alignment during the Bash in Kalispell. That's the one where Terry noticed one of my new steering rag joint bolts working loose in the parking lot of the host hotel. Nice to have all those Mustang resource people handy during a Bash - so you can get safely home again.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

5/03/2021 2:23 PM  #20


Re: Whats it like...

MS wrote:

To answer the original question...

Replace the wiring whenever a new turn signal switch is installed. The wiring comes on the switch, but without the big square plastic connector at the bottom.
To avoid having to make a sketch every time, I simply cut the wires about 1” away from that plug, leaving enough of the color-coded wires in the plug to ID where the new wires go. Then, once you fish the new wires down through the column tube (there is internal conduit in there where they fit through) just remove the 1” long wires one at a time and replace them with the new wire having the same color. You can use a small brass tubing to press the tang on the old wire’s connector along with a little tension on the wire to get it to release from the plug. The ink tube from an old ball point pen works great.

The wiring in the internal conduit may be stuck, I had to spray WD-40 down this conduit to free them up, slid out after letting it soak for several minutes, and a little manipulation of the wiring back and forth.
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/03/2021 7:03 PM  #21


Re: Whats it like...

One more 'trip-down-memory-lane'.......While Bullet Bob was troubleshooting under my dash.....and I was holding the light we needed someone to break the electrical connection from my battery in the trunk from time-to-time. Good old Glenn Busak
(who was just a wee bit tipsy) had that job. It was hilarious  to say the least!!   "power ON....Power OFF...somebody bring me another beer!!" You had to be there!!
That was the night I made some really great friends!!! I had to drive back from Dallas to Georgia the next morning in a car with no headlights.....no dash lights....no horn...and smoke leaking out when I turned the wheel!!
MS and the guys bailed me out and got me fixed up and road worthy THAT NIGHT!!! Not tomorrow.....not later maybe...then! And it was so much fun do'in it too!
Stand-up-guyz!
6sally6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

5/03/2021 7:45 PM  #22


Re: Whats it like...

Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Mike.  Jean was getting antsy to leave so we bailed just about the time MS pulled the steering wheel and discovered the culprit....Grunt steering wheel adapter/horn switch.  Our first Bash, what fun.  Can't wait to see youse guys again. 
 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

5/04/2021 5:58 PM  #23


Re: Whats it like...

6sally6 wrote:

One more 'trip-down-memory-lane'.......While Bullet Bob was troubleshooting under my dash.....and I was holding the light we needed someone to break the electrical connection from my battery in the trunk from time-to-time. Good old Glenn Busak
(who was just a wee bit tipsy) had that job. It was hilarious to say the least!! "power ON....Power OFF...somebody bring me another beer!!" You had to be there!!
That was the night I made some really great friends!!! I had to drive back from Dallas to Georgia the next morning in a car with no headlights.....no dash lights....no horn...and smoke leaking out when I turned the wheel!!
MS and the guys bailed me out and got me fixed up and road worthy THAT NIGHT!!! Not tomorrow.....not later maybe...then! And it was so much fun do'in it too!
Stand-up-guyz!
6sally6

Glen, a bit tipsy??????  I've thrown a few back with him!!! great times!!
 

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