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11/05/2021 3:47 PM  #1


Definition of having a bad day


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Maybe he advanced his timing too much 


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

11/05/2021 5:07 PM  #2


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Toploader wrote:


instagram photo and video downloader
Maybe he advanced his timing too much

#dammitboy


Its really me....I fixed my caps lock .
 

11/05/2021 5:26 PM  #3


Re: Definition of having a bad day

That's a really bad day. 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

11/05/2021 6:03 PM  #4


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Sure hate to see that. Did a fuel line burst on a hot engine?


Money can't buy happiness. Butt it can buy Car Parts... and that is pretty much the same thing.67 FastBack
 

11/05/2021 6:04 PM  #5


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Ya, I'd rather have my bad day than his. Number 2 and 7 slugs.




Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

11/05/2021 6:26 PM  #6


Re: Definition of having a bad day

And that is why I carry a big fire extinguisher.

 

11/05/2021 7:11 PM  #7


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Wasn't a bearing failure this time?
That sucks. Did it  happen on the long trip home?
 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

11/05/2021 7:47 PM  #8


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Alan wrote:

Wasn't a bearing failure this time?
That sucks. Did it  happen on the long trip home?
 

 
Nope, front wheel bearings survived, and the trip went fine other than new coil, starter, and a condenser failing. The piston damage was all due to my head mechanic's loft. Lack of freaking talent.

Prior to the mini bash I was fighting what I thought was a carburetor problem, so I swapped to an older Speed Demon 750. After the coil and condenser were changed on separate occasions, she ran great. The day after returning home I swapped back to my Quick Fuel 670. However, I failed to plug a timed vacuum ports on the carb, aaand I failed to limit the total advance on the Mallory dual point distributor I recently installed. So I'm sure the total timing was really high, like we'll over 40. Ya, I know. So, when I took her for a spin around the block and really got on it, she sounded real real nice, until she didn't. All kinds of racket was coming from the motor, and the AFR O2 gauge was well above 17 when I looked at it.

I had actually swapped 3 different carbs prior to my trip, and the AFR numbers were good. ~13 at idle,  ~12.5 on full throttle, ~15 at highway cruise. I'd also checked the spark plugs and piston tops several times for detonation but didn't see any evidence. They both sure show signs of it now 😁

I'm still working on pulling the motor, but from what I've seen with a bore scope, the cylinder walls look fine. So I figure I'll clean it up, ball hone the cylinders, check bearings and change if needed, new pistons and rings.

Education is not free.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

11/05/2021 9:14 PM  #9


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Bentworker wrote:

And that is why I carry a big fire extinguisher.

I have a small fire extinguisher, but it's not mounted in the car. Yet...


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
     Thread Starter
 

11/06/2021 11:02 AM  #10


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Many years ago my sister had a 66 Mustang, 289 2-bbl, as I was starting it one day, I smelt gas, opened the hood and found the gas hose at the carburetor was leaking and shooting gas directly on the distributor cap.  No fire, but sure could have been one. 
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

11/07/2021 5:26 AM  #11


Re: Definition of having a bad day

I use to work with a pacemaker vendor and he just had an $80K restoration done on his cuda.  He didn’t get 50 miles on it and it went up in flames.  Last I heard it was being restored again.

 

11/07/2021 5:39 PM  #12


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Bearing Bob wrote:

Alan wrote:

Wasn't a bearing failure this time?
That sucks. Did it  happen on the long trip home?
 

 
Nope, front wheel bearings survived, and the trip went fine other than new coil, starter, and a condenser failing. The piston damage was all due to my head mechanic's loft. Lack of freaking talent.

Prior to the mini bash I was fighting what I thought was a carburetor problem, so I swapped to an older Speed Demon 750. After the coil and condenser were changed on separate occasions, she ran great. The day after returning home I swapped back to my Quick Fuel 670. However, I failed to plug a timed vacuum ports on the carb, aaand I failed to limit the total advance on the Mallory dual point distributor I recently installed. So I'm sure the total timing was really high, like we'll over 40. Ya, I know. So, when I took her for a spin around the block and really got on it, she sounded real real nice, until she didn't. All kinds of racket was coming from the motor, and the AFR O2 gauge was well above 17 when I looked at it.

I had actually swapped 3 different carbs prior to my trip, and the AFR numbers were good. ~13 at idle, ~12.5 on full throttle, ~15 at highway cruise. I'd also checked the spark plugs and piston tops several times for detonation but didn't see any evidence. They both sure show signs of it now 😁

I'm still working on pulling the motor, but from what I've seen with a bore scope, the cylinder walls look fine. So I figure I'll clean it up, ball hone the cylinders, check bearings and change if needed, new pistons and rings.

Education is not free.

Keep us posted on the teardown and build. I'm interested in seeing if the rod bearings took a hit also. Detonation is hard on parts as your know to well. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

11/08/2021 6:10 AM  #13


Re: Definition of having a bad day

RV6 wrote:

Bearing Bob wrote:

Alan wrote:

Wasn't a bearing failure this time?
That sucks. Did it  happen on the long trip home?
 

 
Nope, front wheel bearings survived, and the trip went fine other than new coil, starter, and a condenser failing. The piston damage was all due to my head mechanic's loft. Lack of freaking talent.

Prior to the mini bash I was fighting what I thought was a carburetor problem, so I swapped to an older Speed Demon 750. After the coil and condenser were changed on separate occasions, she ran great. The day after returning home I swapped back to my Quick Fuel 670. However, I failed to plug a timed vacuum ports on the carb, aaand I failed to limit the total advance on the Mallory dual point distributor I recently installed. So I'm sure the total timing was really high, like we'll over 40. Ya, I know. So, when I took her for a spin around the block and really got on it, she sounded real real nice, until she didn't. All kinds of racket was coming from the motor, and the AFR O2 gauge was well above 17 when I looked at it.

I had actually swapped 3 different carbs prior to my trip, and the AFR numbers were good. ~13 at idle, ~12.5 on full throttle, ~15 at highway cruise. I'd also checked the spark plugs and piston tops several times for detonation but didn't see any evidence. They both sure show signs of it now 😁

I'm still working on pulling the motor, but from what I've seen with a bore scope, the cylinder walls look fine. So I figure I'll clean it up, ball hone the cylinders, check bearings and change if needed, new pistons and rings.

Education is not free.

Keep us posted on the teardown and build. I'm interested in seeing if the rod bearings took a hit also. Detonation is hard on parts as your know to well. 

Have the block Magnafluxed as well as the crank and rods.  Detonation kicks the bottom end out of engines.  A lot of guys think they have issues with caps, cap fasteners, or crank strength when really the engine is detonating at an inaudible frequency and causing the damage. 
 

 

11/08/2021 7:07 PM  #14


Re: Definition of having a bad day

I've been aware of damage that can be caused by detonation, but it's good info to post. Been doing honey do's and not much on the Moostang, but I'll keep ya updated when sumpin happens.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

11/08/2021 7:55 PM  #15


Re: Definition of having a bad day

Bearing Bob wrote:

Ya, I'd rather have my bad day than his. Number 2 and 7 slugs.



Bob, I hate to see that happen to your motor. My condolences on your loss. 

The last time I saw rings lands through a spark plug hole was a small block Dodge with a tunnel ram, 2 x4's, dual nitrous plates, and a fogger that leaned out!! Actually, I saw it a couple of times on that motor. I don't remember it being that clean of a break. 

Does anyone else find it odd that both pistons broke in the same spot??  

Last edited by Bolted to Floor (11/08/2021 7:57 PM)


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

11/08/2021 8:34 PM  #16


Re: Definition of having a bad day

I thought that too John. I'm thinking the area where the fly cut is located probably had the thinnest amount of material. I plan on checking that when I pull the pistons. The new pistons fly cut looks pretty similar to my work. Only the intake valves needed the flycut. I don't know who much the carbon build up increased the cr.




Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

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