FYI FORD - MustangSteve's Ford Mustang Forum
The Internet's Most Knowledgeable Classic Mustang Information
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CLASSIC FORD MUSTANGS, YOU HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE!
MustangSteve has over 30 years of Mustang experience, having owned 30 of them and restored several others. With the help of other Mustangers, this site is dedicated to helping anyone wanting to restore or modify their Mustang.... THERE ARE NO DUMB QUESTIONS!!!!!
Visit MustangSteve's web site to view some of my work and find details for:
FYIFORD Contributors' PICTURES - Power Brake Retrofit Kits for 65-66 Stangs - Classic Mustang FAQ's by MustangSteve - How to wire in a Duraspark Ignition - Mustang Ride Height Pictures and Descriptions - Steel Bushings to fit Granada Spindles to Mustang Tie Rods - Visit my EBAY store MustangSteve Performance - How to Install Granada Disc Brakes MustangSteve's Disc Brake Swap Page - FYIFORD Acronyms for guide to all the acronyms used on this page - FYIFORD Important information and upcoming events

You are not logged in. Would you like to login or register?

8/30/2023 4:08 PM  #1


Silicone Brake Fluid

Anybody using Silicone(Dot5) brake fluid in their old Ford vehicles?

If you are: Did you just bleed the old fluid out or did you use some kind of a fush?


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

8/30/2023 4:16 PM  #2


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

No, using DOT3.
There is info out there (Google) on the pluses and minuses of using the different DOT brake fluid types for various applications.

 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

8/30/2023 4:29 PM  #3


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

BobE wrote:

No, using DOT3.
There is info out there (Google) on the pluses and minuses of using the different DOT brake fluid types for various applications.

 

I think I read them all. Lots of misinformation out there. I was just wondering if anybody actually switched over to Dot 5 here.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
     Thread Starter
 

8/30/2023 4:39 PM  #4


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Never saw any reason to complicate things…


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

8/30/2023 4:56 PM  #5


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

I put 100 % new brake components in my car years ago when I converted to 4 wheel disks. That included master cylinder, 4 calipers, line lock, propo valve, stainless steel lines and flexible ones etc.
Not wanting to ruin the engine bay re-do I used Dot 5 with no regrets.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/30/2023 5:11 PM  #6


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

This is what regular brake fluid did to my rear driver side apron.

https://imgur.com/NfswYQZ


https://i.imgur.com/lrxuBKK.jpg

https://imgur.com/TMgN0qN


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/30/2023 6:47 PM  #7


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Rudi wrote:

I put 100 % new brake components in my car years ago when I converted to 4 wheel disks. That included master cylinder, 4 calipers, line lock, propo valve, stainless steel lines and flexible ones etc.
Not wanting to ruin the engine bay re-do I used Dot 5 with no regrets.

That is why I want to switch brake fluids. I'm always moving/changing things around with the brakes and I always seem to create a small leak that gets unnoticed until I see damaged paint. Why is brake fluid made that way in the first place.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
     Thread Starter
 

8/30/2023 7:26 PM  #8


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Since I don’t autocross or road race the  Dot 5 10 C lower boiling point is of no concern to me.
Another issue with glycol based brake fluids is that they absorb moisture which causes rust in the brake lines.
Dot 5 is not hygroscopic but moisture can still compromise a leaky system, therefore it should be changed every so often as should regular brake fluid.
So for me, “what’s not to like”
YMMV.

Last edited by Rudi (8/30/2023 7:28 PM)


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/30/2023 9:11 PM  #9


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Rudi wrote:

Since I don’t autocross or road race the Dot 5 10 C lower boiling point is of no concern to me.
Another issue with glycol based brake fluids is that they absorb moisture which causes rust in the brake lines.
Dot 5 is not hygroscopic but moisture can still compromise a leaky system, therefore it should be changed every so often as should regular brake fluid.
So for me, “what’s not to like”
YMMV.

I got tired of all the erroneous numbers being thrown around on the racing websites about boiling points. So I looked directly at the mfg. websites. Motor Medic: Dot 5 dry 500deg F, their Dot 4 dry 446deg F, their Dot 3 dry 401deg F.
 


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
     Thread Starter
 

8/30/2023 9:21 PM  #10


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Some Dot 5 users have stated that the brake pedal is a bit spongy.
My neuropathic feet can’t attest to that , seems the same as my Nautilus’s .


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

8/30/2023 9:59 PM  #11


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Rudi wrote:

Some Dot 5 users have stated that the brake pedal is a bit spongy.
My neuropathic feet can’t attest to that , seems the same as my Nautilus’s .

I saw that on some/all of the websites. Many claims made about the compressibility. Everybody has something to say.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
     Thread Starter
 

8/31/2023 5:49 AM  #12


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

My biggest question was, why don't OEMs use it?  The only company I know that uses it OEM is Harley Davidson.  Now, expense may play a role, as its about twice the cost of DOT 3/4 fluid.  However, there are other reasons why they probably don't.

1.) DOT 5 is very susceptible to aeration.  Even just the simple act of pouring it tends to introduce bubbles.  Now, if you let it sit long enough the bubbles will go away, but who has that kind of time?  This is a huge reason why the OEMs aren't using it, and why its not popular in racing.  This is also likely why many note a spongy peal. 

2.) Changing over from DOT 3/4 is a chore.  The two fluids are completely incompatible, so you have to make sure no traces of the old fluid remain.  Done right this means disassembling everything and cleaning all seals, etc. with alcohol before coating them in DOT 5 and reassembling.  Soft brake hoses should just be replaced.  Hard lines need to be flushed with alcohol. 

3.) Not applicable to our older vehicles, but DOT 5 is not compatible with ABS systems.  I've read this has to do with the lack of lubricity in the fluid compared to DOT 3/4. 

It seems there are a lot of guys who have switched and love it, and a lot of guys who tried it, hated it, and switched back.  Personally I just bleed my systems through every 2-3 years with regular old DOT 3.  Doing this my 21 year old Subaru still has all its original calipers and master cylinder and stops better than most of the cars I've ever driven.  To me, I don't need to go creating problems trying to "fix" one.  A couple of strategically placed rags when filling and a can of Brake Kleen handy has prevented any paint issues for me. 
 

 

8/31/2023 3:36 PM  #13


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

Kind of a backhanded comment here. 
The brake fluid never eats up your paint if you keep it off the paint.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

8/31/2023 4:07 PM  #14


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

MS wrote:

Kind of a backhanded comment here. 
The brake fluid never eats up your paint if you keep it off the paint.

Also.....I wonder if.....you filled a pump up sprayer with Dot3 could you use it as a paint stripper !!?
6s6
 


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

8/31/2023 6:03 PM  #15


Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

My philosophy is that if $#lts gonna happen . . . . It will happen to me first!
Best to plan ahead and try to eliminate those possibilities.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

Board footera


REMEMBER!!! When posting a question about your Mustang or other Ford on this forum, BE SURE to tell us what it is, what year, engine, etc so we have enough information to go on.