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4/06/2024 4:29 AM  #1


Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I was wondering if any of you guys had a uni joint fail on your drive shaft whilst driving?
I've had two classic vehicles over the years and never had this happen.
After seeing people discuss safety loops, I started to wonder if it's something I should consider? What do you guys think?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

4/06/2024 5:57 AM  #2


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I've experienced exactly one u-joint failure in my lifetime.  My buddy's '95 Lighting kept making this noise on take off and I told him likely it was a bad u-joint.  Of course I didn't know what I was talking about, until a month or two later he tried to pull out onto the highway and the rear u-joint let go.  Trashed the aluminum driveshaft too.

I think if you inspect the u-joints regularly the odds of one failing is pretty slim.  Safety loops are for racing, where cars running fast with 5,000 RPM clutch dump launches or coming off the line on a trans brake shock load the drivetrain to a degree never seen on the street.  I have seen u-joints fail at the strip and its is not pretty (catapults the car if its the front, etc.).  IIRC NHRA mandates a loop for cars running 13.99 or quicker, must be within 6" of the front u-joint, and must be a minimum of 1/4" thick x 2" wide or 7/8" x 0.065" wall tubing.  Mounting criteria is not specific.  I've run faster than that at the strip without one and never broken one, and the tech inspectors are pretty lax at my local track. 
 

Last edited by TKOPerformance (4/06/2024 6:01 AM)

 

4/06/2024 6:01 AM  #3


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I’ve never broken one in a mustang but I’ve never had enough traction in a mustang to break anything.  My current build will be sporting a 315 tire out back and has 500 plus HP.   I’ll be installing a safety loop just so I can occasionally run it down the track once or twice a year. 

Now in all my younger days and 4x4 trucks, I’ve dropped a few drive shafts and more.   Lol

 

4/06/2024 8:58 PM  #4


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I have one in my Lightning, but it's only because I was going to run it at the track with sticky tires every so often. On the street with street tires I really do not think it's necessary.

 

 

4/06/2024 9:51 PM  #5


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

Fair enough... It sounds like they aren't needed if you aren't on a track.


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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4/07/2024 5:09 AM  #6


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I wonder if the plate used for the convertible floor pans can be used as a safety loop?   I already added a heavy piece of bar stock to the front of it.

 

4/07/2024 6:22 AM  #7


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

RTM wrote:

I wonder if the plate used for the convertible floor pans can be used as a safety loop? I already added a heavy piece of bar stock to the front of it.

If it meets the criteria I posted earlier I would think so, but that is the criteria tech inspectors go by, so its got to meet it to qualify as a DS loop at the track. 
 

 

4/07/2024 8:25 AM  #8


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

Although I also believe a driveshaft loop is likely unnecessary for a street car, if one installs one make sure that it is a 'loop' around the driveshaft.  You don't want that driveshaft coming up through the floor board. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

4/07/2024 8:55 AM  #9


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

Maybe one day I’ll find out if I ever finish this build and make it to the track.  Lol

 

6/19/2024 6:43 AM  #10


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I had a F100 short bed that that had a driveshaft issues when I was about 19-20. This was a 6 cylinder truck with a Borg Warner T-18 granny first 4 speed. I had tore up 2 three speeds and this was a good upgrade. The drive shaft had U-bolts on both ends. There were issues with the pinion because the rear U-joint got replaced on several occasions when I heard it making noise. The truck sounded like a bucket of bolts rattling down the road at any given moment when everything was normal-ish. I was probable going 60 MPH on Beltway 8 heading for home one afternoon when the noise in the truck suddenly changed, then the drive shaft came loose at the transmission. It was making loops under the truck hitting the floor board and bouncing off the concrete. No catapults, thankfully. It was not a pleasant experience. I think this was more of a U-bolt failing that held the driveshaft than the U-joint itself. It was at a point in life where the Borg and Beck rebuilt clutches I was buying would go out every 93 -95 days..... just long enough to be out of warranty. I can't say I gave enough attention to detail at that point to make sure the U-bolts were tightened evenly!! I could change the clutch by myself in 3 hours taking 45 minutes for a parts run. 

Since then, I've tried to pay more attention to the sounds and way the car acts. If a U-joint is going out, there will be telltale signs. 


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

6/19/2024 9:41 AM  #11


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

I was showing my boney-white-fanny a few years back and tore the rear u-joint out...going from 1st to 2nd in an expedited manner.  (BOY what a racket that thing made!)
I knew instantly what happened when the engine revved  UP big time and all the noise the shaft made framm'in on the road.
I 'neutralized' the trans and coasted about 1/2 mile to a parking lot.
When I welded in the new exhaust pipes from the headers back to the muffler/tailpipes....I tack welded a small piece of round stock between the pipes underneath the driveshaft
NOT a driveshaft loop by any means butt... just 'something' to hopefully keep the shaft from bouncing off the road if the u-joint ever does it's 'thang' again !
6sal6


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6/19/2024 4:52 PM  #12


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

The danger isn't if the rear u-joint fails.  Its if the front fails, which can catapult the car (seen this happen at the strip).

 

6/20/2024 7:37 PM  #13


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

TKOPerformance wrote:

The danger isn't if the rear u-joint fails.  Its if the front fails, which can catapult the car (seen this happen at the strip).

Well, wouldn't a similar situation be possible if you were doing 75 on a freeway somewhere? That is my concern...


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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6/20/2024 7:38 PM  #14


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

6sally6 wrote:

I was showing my boney-white-fanny a few years back and tore the rear u-joint out...going from 1st to 2nd in an expedited manner. (BOY what a racket that thing made!)
I knew instantly what happened when the engine revved UP big time and all the noise the shaft made framm'in on the road.
I 'neutralized' the trans and coasted about 1/2 mile to a parking lot.
When I welded in the new exhaust pipes from the headers back to the muffler/tailpipes....I tack welded a small piece of round stock between the pipes underneath the driveshaft
NOT a driveshaft loop by any means butt... just 'something' to hopefully keep the shaft from bouncing off the road if the u-joint ever does it's 'thang' again !
6sal6

Yikes! This makes me nervous


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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6/20/2024 9:09 PM  #15


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

Put good ujoints in it and find something else to worry about.


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6/20/2024 9:49 PM  #16


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

MS wrote:

Put good ujoints in it and find something else to worry about.

Copy that
 


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
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6/21/2024 5:22 AM  #17


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

MS wrote:

Put good ujoints in it and find something else to worry about.

Ding, ding, ding!

And don't ignore sounds and other symptoms that indicate they are going bad.  Of course, given the mileage most of these cars will see for the rest of our lives even nongreaseable u-joints would probably live forever.  The ones in my F250s have all gone 175-200k miles.  I've never changed one in my John Deere and it was built in '92.  Not sure how many miles its covered, but I've got a big lawn...
 

 

6/21/2024 9:35 AM  #18


Re: Drive Shaft Safety Loops

MS wrote:

Put good u joints in it and find something else to worry about.

 
X-2 !
6s6


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