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    1/01/2024 1:55 PM  #1

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    Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    I just cannot make myself bolt a chevy pump on my 289. Anybody tried one of these? Or something similar?
    I need the performance parameters of the GM Saginaw pump to work with Borgeson steering.

    What are you guys successfully running with your Borgeson conversion?

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    1/01/2024 3:41 PM  #2

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps



    I believe the pump is a Saginaw pump that I am running with my Borgeson mod.

     

    68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
     

    1/01/2024 3:54 PM  #3

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    Would it make you feel better if I told you Ford used those Saginaw pumps on a bunch of cars themselves in the 70s?

    Would it make you feel worse if I told you those krc pumps you been using are just glorified GM gen 111 pumps?

    Individual car parts don't really know or care about their manufacturer affiliation.  If it works and it's what you need, run it.   

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    1/01/2024 4:36 PM  #4

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Gotta PS pump on my Shivel-lay parts chaser.
    250,000 miles and as far as I know It has NEVER had fluid added to it.
    Pretty bullet (thx BB) proof.....
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    1/01/2024 9:06 PM  #5

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Josh installed a Lee Power steering pump.

    https://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=11982

    Ford exterior with Saginaw internals.

    He liked it…especially getting rid of the notorious Ford whine.

    BTW, the pump in the picture looks like the old Ford Thompson power steering pump with a shiny case.
    Notice the square notch at front seal.

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    1/01/2024 9:53 PM  #6

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    The one I posted was a Saginaw pump with housing to make it look like a Ford pump

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    1/02/2024 6:02 AM  #7

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    I missed the small detail on that pump.

    However, the Saginaw pump was stock on E-series vans 92+ with 302/351W.

    https://www.fordtruckfanatics.com/threads/saginaw-power-steering-pump-swap-on-302-351w-f-series-bronco.13842/
    I don’t care for the ham can p/s pump.

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    1/02/2024 6:06 AM  #8

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    1/02/2024 8:20 AM  #9

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    I have the ham can that came with the borgeson box. Hate the look. I may try to use the original
    Pump and bracket off the 289. It has the 66 style PS pump and bracket. Any success using stock 66 pump with borgeson?

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    1/02/2024 8:44 AM  #10

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    I'm using the Borgeson pump on my 65.     

    65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
     

    1/02/2024 9:32 AM  #11

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Using a Saginaw pump with mine.  There are adapters to allow the use of that pump with a Fox accessory drive.  Wild Horses 4X4 sell them.

    The Saginaw pump was used in MANY applications that were not GM.  I wouldn't consider it the same as running a SBC in a '32 Ford, or a 9" rear in a '69 Camaor for that matter. 
     

     

    1/02/2024 11:57 AM  #12

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    Ok I get it now.  You want to internals of the Saginaw and the original ish look of the Thompson pump.   I searched around and it looks like there are many different billet type covers for the saginaw.  So maybe something that looks neither could be a compromise?    Ford had a few different looks to their saginaw pumps.  If you can't stand the canned ham look.. (Which is what I have on mine) with the older two piece bracket from wild broncos, there is this one.  Its pretty rare to find, I used to have one but I don't anymore.   I guess you could call it the whiskey bottle?   (Original Ford). Saginaw pump in a unique Ford only case

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    1/02/2024 12:15 PM  #13

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    This seems to be a new casting Cardone Thompson style pump.

    https://www.amazon.com/Cardone-96-7058-Power-Steering-Pump/dp/B00KQPGUEE/ref=asc_df_B00KQPGUEE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312765622753&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3356291425402233455&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022818&hvtargid=pla-568946644973&psc=1&mcid=191e7f29a90a396f961b627924ac2573&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7aii3aa_gwMVGGlHAR1cXAFfEAQYAiABEgI9L_D_BwE

    Its got a pretty new reservoir!  Have no clue if it will function and sound like the original style pumps did.

    If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
     

    1/02/2024 3:53 PM  #14

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Ron68 wrote:



    I believe the pump is a Saginaw pump that I am running with my Borgeson mod.

     

    Hey Ron I have same set up as your picture in the 66, just wondering if you ever had one of the long mounting bolts break off. Happened twice to me, once about two years after install, then maybe three years later. They both broke of right at the block. Pretty sure the second one I put in was grade 5.

     

    1/02/2024 4:20 PM  #15

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Will the Saginaw pump fit in a Thompson reservoir housing?

     

    1/03/2024 1:57 AM  #16

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    Re: Anybody tried one of these P/S pumps

    Jim Bowie wrote:

    Ron68 wrote:



    I believe the pump is a Saginaw pump that I am running with my Borgeson mod.

     

    Hey Ron I have same set up as your picture in the 66, just wondering if you ever had one of the long mounting bolts break off. Happened twice to me, once about two years after install, then maybe three years later. They both broke of right at the block. Pretty sure the second one I put in was grade 5.

    The standoff bushings that Borgeson sent me were only 2 1/2", and my installation needed 3". I had the machinist at work make me two 3" steel bushings and I needed longer bolts for the install. I don't recall if they were grade 5 or grade 8 bolts, but I've had no problems with the complete installation and operation since then. I will admit getting the return line on the nipple at the pump was a PITA. I did the install in July of 2010.
     

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    1/03/2024 6:55 AM  #17

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    I had one break.  Its a Mickey Mouse mounting deal IMO.  I'm going to go to Fox accessory brackets and the Wild Horses 4x4 adapter for the Saginaw pump at some point. 
     

     

    1/03/2024 1:32 PM  #18

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    https://leepowersteering.com/products/ford-cii-power-steering-pump-replacement

    Would this be enough for the Borgeson?
    It drops into a foxbody setup like factory.



     

    1/04/2024 8:15 AM  #19

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    Josh used a Lee (Saginaw in Ford Cloths) and liked it.  I got one, liked it also.  Looks just like a Fox/5.0 pump but doesn't moan like a mashed cat, looks like it belongs.

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    1/04/2024 8:42 AM  #20

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    Jim Bowie – FYI, my Borgeson pump has been installed since 2012 w/o any mounting bolts breaking.  (and there are long)  In 2017, I had to install a different mounting bracket (with different ‘long’ bolts) associated with the Vintage Air installation, so two different set of bolts have been used since the 2012 pump install.  I do not know the grade bolts that were, or are, currently installed. 

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    1/04/2024 1:06 PM  #21

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    Based on what I saw the bolts appeared to be grade 5. 

     

    6/18/2024 11:37 AM  #22

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    Here I am about 6 months late to the party. I was 22 pages back when I started reading to catch up. Info now could be useless…. But here it is anyway.  I liked the idea of the Saginaw style pump and found the same info as Lt Dan for a Ford application. I didn’t care for the stud mounts supplied by Borgeson. It seems like a failure point if you want to get the belts good and tight!!  I started with the Ford bracket that connects the pump to the block. It gets used as is. That’s a carriage bolt coming through from the back side in the adjustment slot. Next was a piece of 3/16” plate. It was cut and shaped to attach to 3 of the 4 holes on the pump housing. I think they are all metric bolts.

      

    This is the best pic I have of the home made bracket. Seem like I tweaked it to get the pump standing more upright. That’s a self-locking nut on the carriage bolt on the adjusting slot.  I did find a paper tracing of it with some dimensions if anyone is interested. 

     

    The pivot bolt going to the head has 2 sleeves over it with a flat bar bracket separating them so I can tighten the pivot bolt adequately. The flat bar attaches to a mounting hub on the back side of the pump housing. It looks perfectly at home in there….. not much room to see it down there either!!

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