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10/22/2026 1:12 PM  #1


Borgeson steering issue

I have the Borgeson 800111 gear box on my 67.  Everything is new in the steering.  Front end is aligned with about 2.4 degrees of caster.  The steering isn't right.  On the road it is too tight.  Not tight as in lack of slop, but rather too tight in the effort it takes to move it.  There is no return to center pull coming out of a corner.  I absolutely have to turn it back with the same effort I made going into the turn.  Even in the driveway it doesn't feel right.  I've pulled the steering all apart and checked that the spindles move freely, as does the idler arm. The tie rod ends are nice.  With everything unhooked off the pitman arm it still feels tight.  I popped the steering wheel loose but left the nut on and wheel in place so I could turn it and no difference.  I called Borgeson and they said to loosen up the adjuster 1/4 turn and that made no difference. 

Any thoughts?

Edit:  The owner of the local expert alignment shop told me he thought it was likely the gear.  He had another customer with the same problem, had sent his box in to Borgeson multiple times and didn't feel like he got resolution.

Last edited by Dennis (10/22/2026 1:13 PM)

 

10/22/2026 8:56 PM  #2


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Too bad Chock doesn’t fix Borgesons

Last edited by Rudi (10/22/2026 8:59 PM)


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10/22/2026 11:46 PM  #3


Re: Borgeson steering issue

The return to center problem probably isn't entirely the box.  2.4 degrees of positive caster is not enough.  You need 3-3.5 degrees.  That's your return to center issue.  It may be hard to get that much positive caster unless you've done the Shelby/Arning drop, which also relocates the upper A-arms rearward i addition to lowering them.  

I highly doubt loosening the lash adjustment will fix it, unless it was set wrong at the factory, which I consider unlikely.  The factory has the correct tools to set the lash, yet they want you to try and do it by trial and error?  Look at an exploded view of the steering gear and you'll also see why adjusting that lash screw isn't likely to address the cause of your issue.  

If the box is really the issue I would send it back to Borgesson and get a replacement.  They may want yours back, and this is another reason why I wouldn't go messing with the lash screw.  What they told you on the phone will be conveniently forgotten, and they'll turn it into your fault.  

 

10/23/2026 6:15 AM  #4


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Thanks for the replies.  Does the Borgeson uniquely require more caster compared to the stock box?  Loosening the lash didn't change the feel so I'll put it back.  I think lash would only make a difference if it were very tight, which I don't believe it was.  I did the Shelby drop which locates the arms down, but not rearward as I recall.  There was a template that just dropped the holes.  I can get aftermarket arms to relocate the upper balljoint rearward with 3 degrees built in. 

I really don't see this being the solution as the steering has drag and a dead feel even when unhooked from the drag link.  The owner of the shop I had it aligned at is an old-timer who used to do suspension work on Indy cars back in the day and is well respected for his knowledge.  He felt the steering after the alignment and said something was dragging, and it seems the same to me.  

I'm going to call Borgeson again today and see what they say.  My guess is I send the box in and they say nothing is wrong.  

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10/23/2026 11:22 AM  #5


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Power steering in general requires more caster and the target recommended by Borgeson is in the 4 to 5 range.  I'm running about 4.8 degrees and the return to center on my original V1 box in my 66 is very good.  Shoot for the middle of the 4 to 5 range.  The numb return to center condition has been discussed since the Borgeson boxes were introduced.  Try some google searches on recommended caster for Borgeson box in 67 Mustang.

 

10/23/2026 12:58 PM  #6


Re: Borgeson steering issue

I assume you've checked the power steering fluid level and are using the appropriate fluid for it?  
How much pressure is the unit getting from the pump?
Is it plumbed correctly?  The instructions say that the return line is closest to the rag joint.

Last edited by John Ha (10/23/2026 1:06 PM)


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10/23/2026 1:04 PM  #7


Re: Borgeson steering issue

I do find info online about centering issues, but most of what I find is old information.  I don't see a clear, common solution.  Some say more caster helps, some not so much. 

What's odd to me is that in any other car if I nudge the steering wheel one direction while stopped, it will at least partially return which I believe is just the system unloading stress, like any flex in the hard parts, bushings and tires.  This setup doesn't do that.

I've checked the fluid level multiple times and it's clear and I don't see bubbles.  I'm using a Walmart standard type power steering fluid.  

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10/24/2026 9:24 PM  #8


Re: Borgeson steering issue

I doubt you'll get much more than 3.5-3.75 degrees of positive caster from the stock suspension.  There just isn't enough thread on the strut rods for it.  However, I run 3.5 and it works fine.

The problem may well be the box, but in case it isn't, is the steering itself actually centered?  In other words, are both tie rods the same length?  That centers the center link in the car.  You can set the toe to the correct spec and still have the center link off center, which will effect how the steering functions on and off center.  

 

10/25/2026 4:56 AM  #9


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Maybe disconnect everything from the steering box and see how hard it is to turn with nothing connected. There has to be some kind of break away number it takes to turn one.  Kind of like setting a pinion preload.

 

10/25/2026 8:04 AM  #10


Re: Borgeson steering issue

While this might not be your issue, suggest that you verify that the power steering pressure is proper for your application.  


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10/25/2026 3:43 PM  #11


Re: Borgeson steering issue

When I put the new steering together, I counted the turns on all four tie rod ends so they were the same.  Then I adjusted the toe by turning each adjuster the same amount.  It was in spec when I had it aligned.  He may have biased the adjustment to account for wheel straightening a bit, but it's pretty close to centered.  

I did disconnect everything and checked all moving joints.  The spindles turn very free.  The idler arm had a little more resistance than I thought it should, so I loosened it up a bit.  I think the rubber bushing where the drag link hooks up will be more resistance than the pivot.  The wheel still has a dead feel with nothing hooked to the pitman arm.

I'm using the Borgeson pump.  I'm not sure pressure would impact return to center as much as the amount of assist.  I don't have a good way to check it.

I'm currently putting a new flywheel in the car to hopefully address a vibration but hopefully get to drive it again this week if there is a day that it isn't raining.

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10/25/2026 7:41 PM  #12


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Do you have a bearing in the bottom of the column?


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Yesterday 3:23 AM  #13


Re: Borgeson steering issue

It has to be in the box itself.  Nothing else would make sense.

 

Yesterday 4:52 AM  #14


Re: Borgeson steering issue

RTM wrote:

It has to be in the box itself. Nothing else would make sense.

At this point I concur.  I think you've gone through all other possible causes and eliminated them.  The pressure being way to low would probably effect the return to center, but IME the Borgesson pumps put out too much pressure out of the box, and make the steering twitchy, requiring adjusting the pressure down.  So if you haven't messed with the pressure regulator I can't see the pressure being too low.  

 

Yesterday 12:14 PM  #15


Re: Borgeson steering issue

I have the plastic bushing at the bottom of the steering column tube.

I think it's in the box, but considering it seems my situation isn't unique, what's my solution?  I'm willing to bet if I send the box back, they will say it's fine.  I like the advantages of this setup, but I can't see how people would be recommending it if they all drove like mine.

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Yesterday 1:49 PM  #16


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Dennis wrote:

I have the plastic bushing at the bottom of the steering column tube.

I think it's in the box, but considering it seems my situation isn't unique, what's my solution?  I'm willing to bet if I send the box back, they will say it's fine.  I like the advantages of this setup, but I can't see how people would be recommending it if they all drove like mine.

 
Have you called the manufacturer yet to discuss the issue and or a solution?

 

Yesterday 7:18 PM  #17


Re: Borgeson steering issue

RTM wrote:

Dennis wrote:

I have the plastic bushing at the bottom of the steering column tube.

I think it's in the box, but considering it seems my situation isn't unique, what's my solution?  I'm willing to bet if I send the box back, they will say it's fine.  I like the advantages of this setup, but I can't see how people would be recommending it if they all drove like mine.

 
Have you called the manufacturer yet to discuss the issue and or a solution?

They suggested loosening the adjuster 1/4 turn, but that didn't make a difference.  
 

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Today 5:36 AM  #18


Re: Borgeson steering issue

First, get the Mustang Steve lower column bearing.  That plastic thing is Mickey Mouse a-f.

Second, how long ago did you purchase the system?  

 

Today 5:49 AM  #19


Re: Borgeson steering issue

TKOPerformance wrote:

First, get the Mustang Steve lower column bearing.  That plastic thing is Mickey Mouse a-f.

Second, how long ago did you purchase the system?  

I bought the system in June, and installed in September.
 

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Today 6:58 AM  #20


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Realizing that pressure may not be the problem, I would verify with Borgeson what is the proper pressure for your setup. 
If the need be, Borgeson offers a PS pump 899001 shim kit, it allows for adjusting the pressure from 700-1,350 PSI using combinations of the 5 shims included in the kit, and costs about $20. 


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Today 7:12 AM  #21


Re: Borgeson steering issue

BobE wrote:

Realizing that pressure may not be the problem, I would verify with Borgeson what is the proper pressure for your setup. 
If the need be, Borgeson offers a PS pump 899001 shim kit, it allows for adjusting the pressure from 700-1,350 PSI using combinations of the 5 shims included in the kit, and costs about $20. 

Do they sell an inline pressure gauge adapter?
 

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Today 9:27 AM  #22


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Kind of off-the-wall but often things come with plastic plugs in the ports to keep debris out until the unit is installed.  Is it possible you left a plug in by accident?

Also, kind of off-the-wall (and hopefully not insulting), but did you plumb the box correctly?  I think the instructions say that the return line is closest to the rag joint.


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Today 9:38 AM  #23


Re: Borgeson steering issue

Dennis wrote:

BobE wrote:

Realizing that pressure may not be the problem, I would verify with Borgeson what is the proper pressure for your setup. 
If the need be, Borgeson offers a PS pump 899001 shim kit, it allows for adjusting the pressure from 700-1,350 PSI using combinations of the 5 shims included in the kit, and costs about $20. 

Do they sell an inline pressure gauge adapter?
 

 
There are options at there.   I had looked into them.  I thought my saginal pump would have to much pressure for my power rack.  Well it did on paper but after running the pressure through the hydro boost everything feels great and no blown seals yet.

 

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