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5/09/2015 4:06 PM  #1


65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

With the wheel off, I can jumper the horn contacts in the column and the horn sounds.

With the wheel off, and the back of the wheel exposed, I have continuity between the two concentric contact rings when any of the arms of the tri-bar are pressed.

I have disassembled the wheel/horn hardware and cleaned all the contacts.

When I put the wheel back on, horns don't sound.  What am I missing?

 

 

5/09/2015 4:34 PM  #2


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

Has the column slipped too far away from the wheel?  Needs to be pretty close for the contacts to make a solid connection, me thinks.  I've seen lots of switches/contacts that will pass voltage (Ohm meter) but not enough current to do any work.

When you get tired of messing with the stock setup shoot me an email and I'll draw you a quicki picture of how to make the horn setup better.

BB

Last edited by Bullet Bob (5/09/2015 4:35 PM)


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

5/10/2015 12:04 AM  #3


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

To test that issue, paint the top of the horn contacts with some paint, maybe nail polish, then put the wheel on to full depth, remove and check it has two good contact prints on your wheels horn contanct rings.

modelling clay wont work as the column contacts are spring loaded.  You have to determine direct contact.


1970 coupe  302 T5 Titanium Smoke 8.8 3.73 tru-trak  and 1969 Mach1 351W Black Jade PS PDB FMX
 

5/10/2015 6:52 AM  #4


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

As you've already established that the wiring from the steering wheel to the horn is good, check for voltage at the horn, between the horn wire and ground w/the horns disconnected.  You could either have a high resistance across the horn contacts that will not allow for proper current flow to activate the horn, or a complete 'open', that would indicate the contacts are not making up.
If you get voltage, then try it w/one horn and check the voltage again.  If you get one horn to operate, even slightly, then the horn contacts are not making up properly.
I suggest instlling a relay, use the horn contacts to activate the relay, and power the horns from a 12v source, I used the starter solenoid.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/10/2015 7:08 AM  #5


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

Bullet Bob wrote:

Has the column slipped too far away from the wheel?  Needs to be pretty close for the contacts to make a solid connection, me thinks.  I've seen lots of switches/contacts that will pass voltage (Ohm meter) but not enough current to do any work.

When you get tired of messing with the stock setup shoot me an email and I'll draw you a quicki picture of how to make the horn setup better.

BB

BB I know from experience that the column gap affects the horn!  I think it was when I changed my brake pedal assembly to an MS model.  I took the column loose, when I put it together I had problems with the horn and the turn signal cancelling.  It SEEMS like if the column is too close to the wheel the horn will work too good.  I had problems with the horn sounding as I am driving around, usually at the most embarrasing moments like when an ugly chick is crossing the road!  when I increased the gap the horn wouldn't sound but also the turn signals won't cancel after you turn. This is one of the little things I need to work out on my car.  I'm too busy fixing the big things!!

 

5/10/2015 7:23 AM  #6


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

BobE wrote:

I suggest instlling a relay, use the horn contacts to activate the relay, and power the horns from a 12v source, I used the starter solenoid.

As BobE suggests, a horn relay is a very good mod.  However, IMO, if you go to a relay you should also modify the yellow (#460) wire from the headlight switch to the steering column.  This wire provides 12v to the horn switch (button) at all times.  If you cut that wire and ground the column end the horn button will now switch ground...not 12v.  Now you can switch a relay by applying ground with the button which requires very little current so the column-to-wheel spacing isn't so critical.  And if it ever shorts to ground inside the column or hub you will not run the risk of harness damage or headlight operation failure due to a tripped circuit breaker at the HL switch.

If you do this mod be sure to tape off the HL switch end of the yellow wire.

BB


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

5/10/2015 8:33 AM  #7


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

TimC wrote:

With the wheel off, I can jumper the horn contacts in the column and the horn sounds.

With the wheel off, and the back of the wheel exposed, I have continuity between the two concentric contact rings when any of the arms of the tri-bar are pressed.

I have disassembled the wheel/horn hardware and cleaned all the contacts.

When I put the wheel back on, horns don't sound.  What am I missing?

 

I have exact same issue,, but when I pull up on the column housing below wheel the horn will sound.  I do this at inspection time.  It's almost like a missing washer is needed to tighten up the clearences.  

 

5/10/2015 12:32 PM  #8


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

Thanks for the pointers.  BB, I got your sketch for the relay mod a few weeks back, and that's the direction I was heading.  I was trying to get everything working right before putting the relay in.  Now I see that the relay mod can help fix the issue I am having.  (insufficient current flow)  I'll pull the wheel again, and paint the contacts to ensure physical contact is made, and then go from there, on the relay mod.

     Thread Starter
 

5/10/2015 4:57 PM  #9


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

BB I have my horn on a relay but it is wired into the circuit under the hood.  I just spliced into the wires tween the horns and the harness.  Can I still change the wiring?  maybe I will have to run a new wire out to the relay???  can you send me a copy of the diagram or post it on here

 

5/10/2015 6:04 PM  #10


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

terry wrote:

BB I have my horn on a relay but it is wired into the circuit under the hood.  I just spliced into the wires tween the horns and the harness.  Can I still change the wiring?  maybe I will have to run a new wire out to the relay???  can you send me a copy of the diagram or post it on here

I assume you have the hot source for the horns coming from the solenoid or batt at the voltage regulator or something, Terry.  The 460 mod just allows the horn button to send a ground signal to the relay.  Right now you probably have one side of the relay coil grounded out where the relay is.  Remove that ground replace it with a jumper from the hot source right there at the relay.  Now all hot is under the hood and the circuit to the button is only used for ground.
I'll shoot you a diag if you want. In fact, I'll call after I grab a bite....about 8:30 your time.
BB
 

Last edited by Bullet Bob (5/10/2015 6:05 PM)


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5/12/2015 6:06 PM  #11


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

So, the contact on the inner ring behind the wheel is worn enough that it doesnt't reach the back of the wheel.  The column is as high as it will go, without rubbing.  Is it new switch time, or are there suggestions about how to add some conductive material to make the contact reach the wheel?

     Thread Starter
 

5/12/2015 6:45 PM  #12


Re: 65 Deluxe wheel horn issue

TimC wrote:

So, the contact on the inner ring behind the wheel is worn enough that it doesnt't reach the back of the wheel.  The column is as high as it will go, without rubbing.  Is it new switch time, or are there suggestions about how to add some conductive material to make the contact reach the wheel?

I have seen solder used, there's other tricks out there 

 

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