I'm running a 90 Foxbody pump on my 65 that has stock PS setup........works fine......
What you'll find is you'll need to make a pressure side hose that has the 90 Foxbody pump side fitting and the original PS control valve fitting....

TKOPerformance wrote:

Fox Mustangs all run rack and pinion.  Every Mustang from '74-present runs rack and pinion.  The Fox pump is the C2 Ford pump.  They put out about 1,100 psi. 

Will it work?  No idea.  Would I upgrade to a modern EFI engine and keep the old ram assist power steering in my Mustang?  Not for all the tea in China.  Those setups were acceptable for their day when people expected one finger turning, numb steering, no road feel, and having to saw the wheel back and forth to keep the car pointed straight at speed.

My advice?  Use the C2 pump and upgrade to a Borgeson system.  Its head and shoulders above the stock power steering.  I considered swapping my car over to factory power steering at one point, until I drove a car that had it.  I decided I'd rather have manual steering that the factory power setup.  Then I considered a R&P swap, but read too many negative things about them, and they were rather costly too.  I'm glad I waited for the Borgeson system.  It may take a little work to get set up correctly, but they way I've got it now its basically seamless and I enjoy driving the car a lot more than with the manual steering because getting in and out of parking spaces and tight spots is now easy, but I didn't lose road feel or end up with twitchy handling at speed. 

Whatever you do you need to get the front end set up right, which means doing the Shelby/Arning drop for the upper control arms.  A big part of the steering issue with these cars is a near total lack of ability to put positive caster into them.  At best you might get 1-1.5 degree positive with the stock setup.  With the Shelby/Arning drop you can get about 3.5, which makes a tremendous difference.  You also get a much better camber curve and much, much better handling.  It makes the car a lot more fun to drive, but also safer.

Remember the stock 5.0 was rated at 225 HP, which doesn't sound like a lot, and sounds like about what the factory 289s were rated at, but the 289s were rated under gross HP and the 5.0 was rated under net HP.  The 5.0 is a significantly more powerful engine, especially in the low end torque department.  I would surmise that stock vs. stock the 5.0 makes 30 more lbs/ft. or torque and 50 more HP than the 289.  Not a ton of difference, but enough to where you need to make sure that the car brakes and turns as well as possible because things will now happen faster than they used to due to the new engine's additional power. 

Five paragraphs of blah, blah, blah, and you couldn't answer his simple question.  Try staying on topic using the Cliff Notes version for a change....  

50vert wrote:

josh-kebob wrote:

I'm running a 90 Foxbody pump on my 65 that has stock PS setup........works fine......
What you'll find is you'll need to make a pressure side hose that has the 90 Foxbody pump side fitting and the original PS control valve fitting....

 I'm with Josh, mine functions the same with a 95 pump as it did with the Eaton pump.
For the hose, I cut the 90 bend of a repro, flared it to 6AN, then used a 6AN unisteer banjo fitting from Summit.
No custom hose needed then.

   I'll have to do this with my son's 68 mustang. I was hoping I could find an adapter or something that work. 
 

josh-kebob wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

Fox Mustangs all run rack and pinion.  Every Mustang from '74-present runs rack and pinion.  The Fox pump is the C2 Ford pump.  They put out about 1,100 psi. 

Will it work?  No idea.  Would I upgrade to a modern EFI engine and keep the old ram assist power steering in my Mustang?  Not for all the tea in China.  Those setups were acceptable for their day when people expected one finger turning, numb steering, no road feel, and having to saw the wheel back and forth to keep the car pointed straight at speed.

My advice?  Use the C2 pump and upgrade to a Borgeson system.  Its head and shoulders above the stock power steering.  I considered swapping my car over to factory power steering at one point, until I drove a car that had it.  I decided I'd rather have manual steering that the factory power setup.  Then I considered a R&P swap, but read too many negative things about them, and they were rather costly too.  I'm glad I waited for the Borgeson system.  It may take a little work to get set up correctly, but they way I've got it now its basically seamless and I enjoy driving the car a lot more than with the manual steering because getting in and out of parking spaces and tight spots is now easy, but I didn't lose road feel or end up with twitchy handling at speed. 

Whatever you do you need to get the front end set up right, which means doing the Shelby/Arning drop for the upper control arms.  A big part of the steering issue with these cars is a near total lack of ability to put positive caster into them.  At best you might get 1-1.5 degree positive with the stock setup.  With the Shelby/Arning drop you can get about 3.5, which makes a tremendous difference.  You also get a much better camber curve and much, much better handling.  It makes the car a lot more fun to drive, but also safer.

Remember the stock 5.0 was rated at 225 HP, which doesn't sound like a lot, and sounds like about what the factory 289s were rated at, but the 289s were rated under gross HP and the 5.0 was rated under net HP.  The 5.0 is a significantly more powerful engine, especially in the low end torque department.  I would surmise that stock vs. stock the 5.0 makes 30 more lbs/ft. or torque and 50 more HP than the 289.  Not a ton of difference, but enough to where you need to make sure that the car brakes and turns as well as possible because things will now happen faster than they used to due to the new engine's additional power. 

Five paragraphs of blah, blah, blah, and you couldn't answer his simple question.  Try staying on topic using the Cliff Notes version for a change....  

Sorry, I think you found  yourself on the wrong forum.  We try to give people good advice here rather than insulting other members.  Pardon me if I'm of the belief that there's no such thing as too much knowledge.  I'd rather a fellow enthusiast make an informed decision rather than spend their hard earned money on modifications with which they will likely ultimately be unhappy. 

My end goal is a borgeson, after a fellow member here was kind enough to let me drive his car.
For various reasons, I chose to NOT spend any of my hard earned money and make what I have work. It works as well now as it did before the engine swap ... for the price of a fitting.
I've also driven a car that had the PS and steering box rebuilt by Chockostang .... night and day difference, nearly enough to make me forget the borgeson.
I'm sure the original poster has made an informed decision on what he wants, and at this time, it's if he can plumb the Fox pump to the 65, without swapping steering systems.
As you said, somewhere in there, you didn't know .... the answer is yes.

And that is probably the longest post I've ever made.
I also prefer short and to the point ... cos I've got the attention span of a fish.

Hey Rudi, seeing as how you can make the next bash, if a fellow member of the realm from Ausghanistan were to ask real nicely, would you consider letting him try the EPS?   
It'd  be great to meet you.

Last edited by 50vert (9/23/2018 10:48 AM)

50vert wrote:

Hey Rudi, seeing as how you can make the next bash, if a fellow member of the realm from Ausghanistan were to ask real nicely, would you consider letting him try the EPS?
It'd be great to meet you.

Absolutely Mate!
It would be an honour to meet to meet our esteemed member from Oz and I'll be looking forward to you in the pilots seat  of the old 68.

Rudi wrote:

Since I put an electro-mechanical power steering in my 68 I would never go back to a hydraulic system.
 IMHO if you intend on starting from scratch putitng a ps in non ps car the mod is well worth the effort and the cost is no where near what any type of old tech hydraulic system would cost.
 Parking takes a one finger effort, road feedback at cruise to the steering wheel is the same as manual and, if desired, the boost can be any where in between.
When you get drive an old Mustang with a set up like mine you will be totally amazed.

  Did you build your own system?   Are you running a manual rack or stock non power steering system?  Thanks

 

Last edited by Steve69 (9/23/2018 4:55 PM)

Steve69 wrote:

Rudi wrote:

Since I put an electro-mechanical power steering in my 68 I would never go back to a hydraulic system.
 IMHO if you intend on starting from scratch putitng a ps in non ps car the mod is well worth the effort and the cost is no where near what any type of old tech hydraulic system would cost.
 Parking takes a one finger effort, road feedback at cruise to the steering wheel is the same as manual and, if desired, the boost can be any where in between.
When you get drive an old Mustang with a set up like mine you will be totally amazed.

  Did you build your own system?   Are you running a manual rack or stock non power steering system?  Thanks

 

Yes Steve I did the mod myself, the original post has lost a few pictures but there are still enough to give you an idea of what I did. I tend to overly complicate my builds but a lot of people who did this mod without the machine tools I used.
 Here is the original post. http://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=4245

I used the original style 16-1 steering box and the manual steering linkage to see how it all worked out before I considered a rack conversion as well. After driving it I decided that a R/P was a no go, it works great as is with no reduced steering radius that most R/P's have.

More info on how you can do this is here  https://forums.vintage-mustang.com/mod-custom-forum/787114-best-200-mod-ever-eps.html
There are over 50 pages on this mod but if you want to try it yourself,  read up and see how other did it.

shelb94.......I sent you a private message....

We've been traveling for eight weeks and I haven't been checking in too often.  Butt (TS&T), for what it's worth, I ran a stock PS system for nearly 20k miles with a 5.0 pump with zero problems.  I had the local hydraulic shop marry 1/2 of a new 66 PS hose with 1/2 of a new 5.0 Mustang PS hose and it worked great.  I do like Barry's very simple solution though...KISS!
Also, I am using the same pump on a Borgesen box and it seems to work perfect also. 

BB
 

I have a Fox P/S pump and a Borgeson.  It has made several Bashes now and has performed flawlessly.