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I tried to transfer the title on my 68 coup today and struck out. It will potentially cost me over $600.00 to do it here in TX because her book says it is worth $8000.00. That is because the car was given to me and I told her so. The last time I did a title transfer was in the 80's. It was around $25.00. So I walked out. To get the best price, little over $200.00, I have to get an appraisal on the car. The car isn't totally drivable yet. The last time it was driven was in 89. The girl at the desk told me I had to take it to the Ford house. I don't know if that's true but there is no Ford house close enough that I would be comfortable driving it to. Do appraisers come to you or do it over the phone? How much to they charge?
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Grundy Insur did mine before a quote for coverage. But I was after MAX stated value. All I did was submit pictures and they did the rest. I didnt pay extra. Haverty has a price guide that is pretty good.
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When I had my '67 appraised I used an independent appraiser and he came to the house. Like Don though, I was looking to maximize stated value.
If the car was given to you, can you draft something up showing it was gifted to you for "nominal consideration", which I believe is typically $5-$10 in most states. Then just draw up a cash receipt for the $5-$10 you "paid" for it. This type of arrangement is used all the time when property is gifted inside a family for example. I'd dig into the law and see what you can find out. In the end this is just another tax they're saddling you with so they can make more money. You're in effect paying for the privilege of owning your car. Pretty $#%&ed up IMO.
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Doug, take a look at the link. Down the page it talks about disputing the presumptive value.
Edit for talking to wrong person!!
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Their SPV doesn't work on a car that old. Not enough digits in the S/N. Hagertys doesn't do any good either. They don't value a car that is not restored. They are starting at 19K. Maybe I got a better deal than I thought I did.
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I have had no problems transferring titles on cars in TX when I tell them the car is not currently registered or in driveable condition. I have not had them try to use any charts on older vehicles. There is just no good way to assess value. Maybe they recently revised the rules? I just did my truck this year.
Even worst case, you got a free car and they want to tax you 6.25% of $8,000. What is that, about $500?
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Your right about the free car. It's been so long since I've transferred a title on a used car that I guess I was shocked at the price of it. I walked in expecting to pay around $25.00, but when she told me it was a little over $600 I thought I was paying for some kind of crime I didn't know that I committed. When she told me it was based on the value of the car I questioned that. It is essentially a barn find which means it didn't run, had all flat tires, no brakes, and no front suspension. It has a bunch of whisky dents and other normal things for a car that had been abandoned. The only thing good about it is there is no rust on it, and it is all there in one piece. They drove it into the garage got out and walked away. As the years went by they stuffed their old mattresses all around it. How can that car be worth that much money when I compare to the asking prices of the junk Mustangs in the adds? My wife says pay it. I feel like this has gone into a rant. I need to figure out a way to get it appraised.
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You want someone who is a member of the Amercian Society of Appraisers. You should have no trouble finding one since you're in the DFW area. You can do a search at
When I had mine done (I was in the Houston area) I did the search, found the contact information. He came out to the house and did the looking. I'd written up a sheet of stuff that I knew about the car and it helped him to do the appraisal. You will need to tell him what kind of appraisal you want. An actual cash value appraisal (for registration) is not the same as an appraisal to determine the insurance value.
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Bolted to Floor wrote:
Doug, take a look at the link. Down the page it talks about disputing the presumptive value.
Edit for talking to wrong person!!
All the info you need is right there. Just use the affidavit for gift near the bottom of the page. Plus, its over 25 years old, and thus by their own rules is exempt.
Its not a rant; its standing up for the values upon which this nation was founded. When we are forced to pay tribute to the new aristocracy (hmn, rhymes with bureaucracy for a reason I think) we are back under the old system used in the European nations from which our Founders fought to break away.
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Yea you need to process this as gift, not a purchase. Gifts are a flat fee. You got some bad info.
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I am at the DMV right now. They insist that the value of the car is $8000.00 in Dallas county as of Oct 1, 2018. So they are talking to supervisors at other county offices I bought the car in 2002 and didn’t transfer the title cause it wasn’t drivable. So I am refuting their of it. I’ll be here for awhile.
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Instructions for Filing Form 14-317, Affidavit of Motor Vehicle Gift Transfer...
Required Statements. What is a gift? A gift is the transfer of a motor vehicle between eligible parties for no consideration. Consideration includes anything given as payment such as cash, the assumption of a lien or other debt, payment for providing services or labor, or an exchange of real or tangible personal property. A motor vehicle received as a gift from an eligible donor located out of state is subject to the $10 gift tax when the motor vehicle is brought into Texas. Eligible Gifts To qualify for the $10 gift tax rate, a motor vehicle must be received from one of the following eligible parties:
• spouse (separate property only; vehicles held as community property are not subject to the tax); • parent/stepparent; father/mother-in-law;
• grandparent/grandparent-in-law or grandchild/grandchild-in-law; • child/stepchild; son/daughter-in-law;
• sibling/brother-in-law/sister-in-law;
• guardian;
• decedent’s estate (inherited/willed or through an Affidavit of Heirship for a Motor Vehicle);
• nonprofit service organization qualifying under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501(c)(3), (gift tax applies when the 501(c)(3) organization is the donor or the recipient); or
• certain revocable (living) trusts, typically used in estate planning, described in Tax Code Section 152.025. A motor vehicle transfer made without payment or consideration to an ineligible party is defined as a sale and subject to Standard Presumptive Value (SPV) procedures. See Texas Tax Code Section 152.0412, Standard Presumptive Value; Use By Tax Assessor-Collector, and Rule 3.79, Standard Presumptive Value. A motor vehicle excluded from SPV is subject to tax based on its appraised value, as provided by Rule 3.80, Motor Vehicles Transferred as a Gift or for No Consideration.
If you got the car from one of the relationships listed above...then it's $10.
If not, then it's a sale regardless if you got it for free. Really, your mistake is telling them you got it for free. You are better off telling them you paid a very small amount, as in salvage value. You tell them you got it for free and then they go to their book value which is crap. That's why no matter what you should have a bill of sale signed by both parties. Even then, if it's too low they will argue that it's worth more but as long as it's anywhere close to actual value then they really don't have a leg to stand on.
If you haven't filled out any paper work, I would go back to who gave it to you and ask them to make a bill of sale of $500. Then wait a couple of months and go to another DMV. If you want to stay on the straight and narrow just write him an IOU and agree to pay it in 100 years.
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I rewrote the application and put in that I paid $150 for it, which I did after getting it towed, keys and a duplicate title sent to the lady I got it from. I also cleaned out her garage. So even though no money changed hands there was money and labor expended to move the ar into my possession. That was 16 years ago when all of that took place. The lady is now gone. So the next they told me was that the Dallas county rules have changed and they showed the notification letter. The car is considered a classic now and the minimum value that they came up with is over $8000. They want me to pay title transfer fee base on that figure which comes to over $600. I disputed that and they told me the only other choice I have is, to get it appraised. All this happened after I gathered up all my info and took it to Ellis county. The DMV lady there went all through it and told me I was $165.00. She couldn't take my money because I am not a resident of that county. I bought a new car recently so I called my salesman. He is going to get an appraisal for me. The form that has to be filled out says that the appraiser can not charge less than $100 for his services.
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Wow. God bless America.
Book appraisals are insanely inaccurate. Even when you buy a new car you only pay taxes on what you actually paid, not the MSRP or what it appraises at. No such thing as paying taxes on the potential value or what someone says you should have paid. (with some exceptions) This is ripe for legal challenge but as usual the little guy gets screwed b/c he can't afford lawyers. This is a lesson learned for everyone.
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