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10/20/2019 10:58 AM  #1


Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Anyone running either on their car with stock shock towers?

 

10/20/2019 12:48 PM  #2


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

The first gen cars were available supercharged from Shelby.  I've seen plenty that used centrifugal blowers under a stock hood.

Turbos could work as well, but you'd have to locate them and then build all the piping to them.  My gut tells me that a blower will be cheaper.  Turbos are a bit easier on parts though. 

 

10/20/2019 4:16 PM  #3


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Glens.5.0 is supercharged

 

10/20/2019 4:42 PM  #4


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

TKO...I’ve run across those articles about the Shelby’s, but none were EFI.

Coupe...Is Glen running stock shock towers?

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10/20/2019 5:01 PM  #5


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

TKOPerformance wrote:

The first gen cars were available supercharged from Shelby.  I've seen plenty that used centrifugal blowers under a stock hood.

Turbos could work as well, but you'd have to locate them and then build all the piping to them.  My gut tells me that a blower will be cheaper.  Turbos are a bit easier on parts though. 

 
I don't know anything about superchargers, but how do you figure turbos are easier on parts? They sure aren't on airplanes. They wear out everything associated with them and themselves. I would think a supercharger would be easier on parts. Just aksing for educational purposes.


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10/20/2019 5:56 PM  #6


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

My original aim was to bolt a KB blower on. If your air intake fits now, it'll fit with a KB.
I checked out Glen's blower in Franklin, stock towers, air intake was a tight fit, had to use some flexible tubing. Tried to keep up with him comin back from Murfreesboro in the mustang rental .... didn't happen.
With the shorter front dress of the 95, I couldn't see how I could fit a centrifugal in there.


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10/20/2019 6:09 PM  #7


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

https://youtu.be/RDldwiVYtgI?t=13

Falcon not a Mustang butt prolly same amount of room under the 'bonnet',  wouldn't you say??!
jus say'in!
6sal6

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10/20/2019 6:25 PM  #8


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Not sure that is ever gunna see a bonnet. Or shock towers .... or a road.
But it'd be be up there for the best 5 seconds of your life.

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10/20/2019 9:11 PM  #9


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

6sally6 wrote:

https://youtu.be/RDldwiVYtgI?t=13

Falcon not a Mustang butt prolly same amount of room under the 'bonnet',  wouldn't you say??!
jus say'in!
6sal6

 
I don’t want to get to work that fast Mike! 😂
Ran across 68 falcon project for sale this summer.
Dang it!  Guess I’ll keep working on what I have.
Perhaps something more sane for the roads.
Definitely 😎

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10/21/2019 5:08 AM  #10


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

HudginJ3 wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

The first gen cars were available supercharged from Shelby.  I've seen plenty that used centrifugal blowers under a stock hood.

Turbos could work as well, but you'd have to locate them and then build all the piping to them.  My gut tells me that a blower will be cheaper.  Turbos are a bit easier on parts though. 

 
I don't know anything about superchargers, but how do you figure turbos are easier on parts? They sure aren't on airplanes. They wear out everything associated with them and themselves. I would think a supercharger would be easier on parts. Just aksing for educational purposes.

Turbos load an engine and drivetrain gradually, whereas blowers tend to shock load stuff.  Centrifugal blowers aren't as bad as roots style blowers because they tend to build boost more gradually.  I've seen stock block engines fail at 550HP with a blower and live at 1,000HP with turbos.  Wear and maintenance is another issue, but at that level stuffs not going to live as long as it would making less power.  I hate to say it, but if you want big power and longevity the best bet is a crate motors swap to one of these newer engines. 
 

 

10/21/2019 5:12 AM  #11


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Nos681 wrote:

TKO...I’ve run across those articles about the Shelby’s, but none were EFI.

Coupe...Is Glen running stock shock towers?

Yeah, but the packaging is the same.  You will likely have to move the battery to the trunk, but with a Fox 5.0 style blower the tallest point in the installation was the intake manifold, which we already know fits under an early hood. 

A KB might be an option too.  A buddy of mine runs one on his '95 Cobra.  BUT, they no longer offer a Fox kit, and I'm not even sure if they offer SN95 kits anymore, so I don't know how plug and play they would be on an early car.
 

 

10/21/2019 8:24 AM  #12


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Yes Dan, Glen is running stock towers/suspension.

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10/21/2019 12:47 PM  #13


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Bullet Bob wrote:

Yes Dan, Glen is running stock towers/suspension.

BB

Partly right, stock towers but McPherson suspension.
 

 

10/21/2019 3:32 PM  #14


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Thanks again guys.
Always wondered if it would be possible.
Figured some shifting of parts and fabrication would be required...but possible!

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10/21/2019 3:34 PM  #15


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

When comparing turbo vs. supercharger engine longevity you also have to take in to account the load on the crankshaft from the belt. That's why most people say turbos are "easier" on parts. Also you need to take in to account how precious little room for an intercooler there is in these cars. I'd run a supercharger non-intercooled before I ran a turbo non-intercooled.

 

10/21/2019 7:08 PM  #16


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

I'd never run a turbo setup without an intercooler.  Too much lag.

Honestly in one of these cars I see no reason to run forced induction.  Its a very expensive way to make a lot of power you'll never be able to use in anything but a dedicated race car.  500-550HP is about all a street car car handle safely.  Anything over that is just for bragging rights, leading me to conclude that something is on the smaller side somewhere...

 

10/21/2019 9:15 PM  #17


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

TKOPerformance wrote:

I'd never run a turbo setup without an intercooler.  Too much lag.

Honestly in one of these cars I see no reason to run forced induction.  Its a very expensive way to make a lot of power you'll never be able to use in anything but a dedicated race car.  500-550HP is about all a street car car handle safely.  Anything over that is just for bragging rights, leading me to conclude that something is on the smaller side somewhere...

😂. I am vertically challenged too.
Just don’t see stuff like that on a regular basis.

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10/21/2019 9:18 PM  #18


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Yes stock shock towers he is about to cut them ouff when he starts the restoration again lol 😂

 

10/21/2019 9:21 PM  #19


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

It’s a good thing we haven’t started yet Coupe.😜

What would be a good resource to learn about either?

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10/22/2019 7:01 PM  #20


Re: Turbocharged or supercharged EFI

Nos681 wrote:

What would be a good resource to learn about either?

Whats to learn? Centrifugal = good. Positive displacement = better.
Ohh Yeahh ..... the tuning .... now that IS a lot to learn.


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