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11/11/2020 6:37 AM  #1


New Old Truck - Ford



I finally got the truck I have been wanting, for the most part. I got the truck that I wanted and my budget agreed too. A buddy and I co-own a couple trailers, a open car trailer and a tall cargo box trailer. I have always pulled them with my Dodge Dakota and while it will pull them and stopping is not an issue because of the great trailer brakes. My buddy uses his 2008 f250 V10, and plain and simple a bigger truck just handles the load better. So I have always wanted one but two issues, cost of one in decent shape not worn out and fuel cost.

My company and I renegotiate my car allowance agreement and they now pay for 100% of my fuel, so one problem down. Now find one I can afford that’s not rusted out from pushing a plow or has a million miles on it. It had to come in at less than $10k.

I wanted gas and felt like it had to be the V10, as it is a lot of truck for the 5.4.

What I found and don’t say anything too mean because I already bought it. Is a 2002 F-250 Super Duty, Lariat, V10, 4WD, OffRaod Package, 4.30 LS rear axle, Grey on Grey Leather. zero rust, no wrecks, with 80k miles. Has new tires, everything works as it should. The spark plugs were changed at 50k miles. The only mechanical issue is the dreaded exhaust leak from broken studs and possibly cracked manifold.

Plans are to replace exhaust manifolds and studs with either Doug Thoraly or Gibson Headers.

I am looking for any thoughts on fluids, changes, flushes? At this age (18 years) and mileage (80k) would you change the trans fluid and filter? I feel pretty definite on flushing the cooling system. How about the brake fluid? Would you change any over to synthetics?

This is in that grey area for me, if it was older or had more miles on it I would change everything. I typically buy things that are worn out and cheap as my daily driver work truck. This is by far the nicest daily driver work truck that I have ever had. It’s cleaner in the inside than the out.

 

11/11/2020 7:17 AM  #2


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

Nice truck, amazing the bed isn't rusting off of it.  Take a close look at the crossmembers underneath it.  They have a habit of failing, even in climates where stuff doesn't typically rust. 

I wouldn't worry about longevity either.  Mine has 258k on it and I still drive it every day. 

I would bleed the brake fluid through.  These things have a bad habit of dirtying that up in about two years.  Take a  good look at the rear brakes too.  They typically last about 60k, but you also often don't hear the wear tab and if they go metal to metal you can spit the pad backing plate out, spit the caliper pistons out, and lose all braking.

Trans fluid and filter needs to be changed every 30k, but you need to know what fluid is in it.

Look closely at the front end.  They can have a habit of going through ball joints, though the gas trucks seem to be easier on them.  The Diesel engines are really heavy. 
 

 

11/11/2020 7:40 AM  #3


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

If the plugs on the V10s have already been replaced are concerns about the plugs blowing out of the heads resolved or does the potential for that to happen still exist?


Nice truck, btw!

 

11/11/2020 10:27 AM  #4


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Don't know anything about the V-10 butt-eye HAVE 'heard' they are hard-on gas. Since you get 'free gas' that is not an issue.
Do you haul huge weight (near or beyond max load recommendations....like my BIL) on a regular basis?
IF so........I would change out all brake pads......flush and change tranny fluid....(same with engine) flush and change coolant and replace with DISTILLED water.....do da brake fluid too....inspect everything underneath.
That way you will know  "whatcha got and when it was serviced."


THEN.....put a cam in it and a blower!!!
6sal6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

11/11/2020 11:34 AM  #5


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Thanks for the complements, I really like this thing. Just FYI, in town I seem to be getting 10-11 mpg and on the Hwy 13-14 mpg. Now for comparison, my Dodge Dakota 4WD Crew Cab 4.7 V8 only got 12-14, and about 6-9 towing depending on which trailer.

As I said I have used a Dodge Dakota to pull everything I pull for the last 5 plus years. I have just wanted a larger/heavier truck. This truck should last me a long time as I will never use it to its capability. I will say it is really really really nice to have an 8' bed again.

I don't plan any real performance upgrades other than exhaust, and that is only due to the manifold and stud issues, and the factory Y pipe is a joke. I really like the design of the Doug Thorley  headers and Y pipe. They aren't cheap, but we all know good headers aren't cheap and cheap ones aren't good.

I will do:
Coolant Flush and fill
Brake Fluid flush and bleed
Engine oil
All Filters
Check all brakes and suspension

On the transmission I think I will only do a drain and filter change. I am concerned that a flush could cause more bad than good.

Last edited by kardad (11/11/2020 11:37 AM)

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11/11/2020 11:44 AM  #6


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

These headers look good I have always been a fan of the long tube Try Y design


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As you can see the factory Y pipe is very restricted, apparently it was done to eliminate a flutter sound that the V10 would make.

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11/11/2020 1:17 PM  #7


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I recall they had spark plug blow out issues as well and I forget what year that may have been addressed by ford.  I owned an Excursion with a V10 and had towed with it.  It was like nothing was back there.  The front rotors like to warp if you don't torque the front wheel lug nuts.  Buy a quality brake rotor.

As for the 5.4 I have new respect for them.  I drove a loaded and I mean loaded rental box truck from Ohio to Florida.   It was loaded with my Father In Laws old tools and boxes, both his auto and Tool & Die boxes/tools.  I bet I had 1,000 lbs worth of machine tooling from end mills to drill chucks and more, plus a 9.75 axle and a 302 motor.  There was enough stuff that there was no room left in the truck and the springs were bent downward.  When we got to FL I told my son see how good the V10 runs.  When I popped the hood I soon realized it had a 5.4.  My daily drive has a 5.4 but its a 2010 single cab F150 4x4 which I just had installed 4.10 gears in not to long ago.  I get 14 in the city.

 

11/11/2020 2:37 PM  #8


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While I know little about the 2002 Gasers except they drink fuel. I do know a little about the 2002 7.3L 6-speed. They are great trucks if you take care of them. Mine currently has 365,000 miles and still runs like new. Brakes, shocks and ball joints are the commonly replaced items at around 100K miles. My OEM clutch was replaced at 341,000 miles and looked new. 
As you pointed out fluid changes are a must on a new used vehicle. The xfer case takes special lube, looks and feels like ATF but is called Transfer Case Fluid. Don't forget to change out the power steering fluid while you're at it. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

11/11/2020 4:23 PM  #9


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I'm not sure what trans you have, but you need to find out.  If its the 5R110 my truck uses its a great trans, but there's a couple things to know about it.  A flush on them is basically BS; they can't really be flushed. 

The biggest thing is that the original fluid Ford used in them was Mercon SP (only available from Ford).  In later years they switched to Mercon LV (Valvoline makes this in addition to Ford).  The two fluids cannot be mixed or strange things happen with the trans.  If the fluid has never been changed or was changed a long time ago it probably still has SP in it.  In which case you need to either continue to use SP fluid or completely purge the SP and change over to LV (not an easy task without a trans rebuild).  You can still find SP, but its getting harder.  I have half a case or so of it even though my truck now runs LV thanks to the new trans I put in it 2 years back.  If you need that SP let me know.  I can ship it to you for cost of shipping plus $5/quart (forum member discount it was like $9/quart when I bought it).  PM me if interested.

I believe the spark plug blowing out issue can effect any two valve modular engine, unless all the plugs were pulled and the holes helicoiled. 

The V10s okay for a gas engine, though it is thirsty, and from the guys I know that have owned both the V10 and the 5.4 they claimed no real additional power from the V10, just used more fuel.  IMO at this point when towing there's Diesel and then there's everything else and its a gulf between them.  If you're towing fairly light it will be fine.  Start piling on the weight and that Diesel starts to become attractive.  Also, zero chance a Diesel ever spits out a spark plug, unless it sucked one in from a gas truck that dropped one

 

11/11/2020 7:00 PM  #10


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

By everything I can tell I have a 4R100 transmission, the door code is an “E”, from what I’m reading this had been a good trans and is basically a E4OD with some upgrades.

I won’t ever tow more than 6000lbs

I had a 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 and 3.55 gears, 265-75-16 tires.

The F250 Super Duty with 6.8 V10, 4.30 gears, and 265-75-16 Tire’s tows a lot better.

I know Apples and Oranges,

We are scared of what we don’t understand, I have Zero experience with diesel,
Thanks TKO on all the info and I’ll PM you,

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11/12/2020 12:06 PM  #11


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

Congrats on the new to you truck.
I inherited a 03 F350 cab and chassis with a 9' service body for a work truck with the V-10 and about 115K miles. The previous driver said to watch the oil level, it generally burned 2-3 quarts between changes. I thought the quick oil change place that most of the guys were using was shorting me so I was checking it after several oil changes. It was always full. At some point the truck went to a Ford Dealer for repairs and an oil change. The oil level never dropped with that change. I guess Ford had a better idea on the oil than the Pennzoil that the quick lube advertised, if that's what they were putting in it. Never went back to the quick change place and it never burned any more oil. 

I put another 100K miles on that truck before I got something else to drive. I was very pleased with the V-10 and how it ran. Coil packs and plugs is all I ever had to have changed on the motor. I guess the back cylinders are hard to get to. When the first dealer couldn't pin point the occasional miss and stall, I went elsewhere. The second dealer determined that the first dealer only changed 8 of the 10 plugs several month prior, back two were skipped.  


John  -- 67 Mustang Coupe 390 5 speed
 

11/12/2020 4:18 PM  #12


Re: New Old Truck - Ford

Yeah, I'd conclude that the gears made the difference in ability to tow.  Doesn't really matter, you've got it now.  It should be fine towing 3tons.  Towing that light a Diesel is really unnecessary and the added expense of maintenance isn't justified.  Of course, I knew very little about Diesels before I bought my current truck, but I sure learned a lot since I've owned it

 

11/13/2020 5:54 AM  #13


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John - I hope they just charged for a 5.4 spark plug change in lieu of the 6.8. Ha Ha
Tom -  Again, thanks for the advice and info,

I know that this particular combination may not be without its issues or near as good as others. But when buying used and looking for a solid truck, you have to be willing to compromise. I wanted a rust free, no wrecks, under 100K mile, 4x4, ext or crew cab, Gas, F250 for under $10k. This truck checked all those boxes. Maybe in 10 years I can afford/justify a F250 with the new 7.3 Gas push rod motor.

Thanks for all the support guys, Now I have a lot of fluids to change.

Rick (Kardad)

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