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11/02/2020 5:45 PM  #26


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Looks like the cobra has a pedal ratio of 3.75 to 1.  My 65 is like 6 to 1.  In order to get to the 3.75 ratio I would have to lower the mounting point of the stud by roughly 1 inch.  The MS bracket lowers the stud by .625.  The MS plate has a center hole that is too big to mount it to the HB unit itself.  So even if the MS bracket lowers things to the correct ratio I am unable to mount the HB unit to the bracket itself.  The factory HB bracket has a slight angle to it so it has to affect the ratio or stud location on the pedal.  Maybe the slight angle helps keep the bore inline with the brake pedal rod during its travel?

I had a plate made one time for the HB unit I was installing on an early bronco.  I think I can just modify the stock HB bracket to work.

I will not be able to use the top two studs on the cobra HB and locate them in the top two mounting holes of the stock bracket. The HB unit will need to be lowered the same amount as the stud location, in theory anyways.  

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11/02/2020 7:58 PM  #27


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

The pb-2 mounting plate is designed for 65-66, and aligns with the top two pedal support holes (as close as possible, still uses same holes)  I have only done a few hydroboost installs, and it was a long time ago, using a 98 Mustang hydroboost.

The pedal pin can be used to change pedal ratio, but you are limited by the geometry of the hydroboost unit as to where you can relocate it.

My comment as to using a 67 PB pedal and relocating the pivot upward 3” was based on your pictures where you obviously did not mount the pedal pin in a different location.  At least that was my perception when I looked at the pictures.  It appeared you still have the stock pedal pin location, which is NOT going to work right.


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11/02/2020 8:11 PM  #28


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

HEY GUY'S
When I get time  I'll post all photos and part's list of my Hydro boost up grade .. om 1966 

on this weekend's test run it stopped great almost too much .. but NO TOUCHY !!!
could still stop smooth ..


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11/03/2020 4:46 AM  #29


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS I should have provided more pictures and an explanation.  I  think the pin relocation from the kit would put things very close but I would still need to lower the HB unit itself.  The plate in the kit will interfere with the HB unit or I should say the hole in the PB-2 plate will as that hole location is to high.  If that hole was offset then it would work with the HB I am using.  Again I would still have to lower itto keep the push rod straight with the HB unit itself.

I was just hoping for a straight forward install and that is not what it will be.  lol

I plan on drawing everything out to get my angles and distance right.  I will also try to confirm the 3.75 to 1 ratio as I'm finding some say it may be 4 to 1. I think it will be a pretty straight forward install once I get everything figured out.  just need to relocate a couple of mounting holes and the stud location on the brake pedal.  

Vkt-66, I'm using an 03/04 cobra hydroboost so my install may vary slightly from yours.  As far as how it will need to mount to the brake pedal/firewall.

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11/03/2020 6:04 AM  #30


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

When I did the hydroboost conversion on my 66 i used a mounting plate like this from ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Hydroboost-Mounting-Plate-Bracket-Adapter/302358903351?hash=item4665feba37:g:3XQAAOxy5jxSavxU
 


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11/03/2020 9:35 AM  #31


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Stock 65-66 ratio is 6:1
The MustangSteve pb-2 conversion takes it to 4.1:1
The 67-69 pb pedal is 3:1
The 70 pb pedal is 3.5:1
2015-2020 pedal is 3:1

Just for reference...


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11/03/2020 4:00 PM  #32


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS wrote:

Stock 65-66 ratio is 6:1
The MustangSteve pb-2 conversion takes it to 4.1:1
The 67-69 pb pedal is 3:1
The 70 pb pedal is 3.5:1
2015-2020 pedal is 3:1

Just for reference...

Thanks MS, you're always a great help. Funny how the ratio changes so much.  I reached out to someone selling 03/04 cobra parts and asked if he could measure the brake pedal ratio for me.   I'm still waiting.

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11/05/2020 6:14 PM  #33


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

So far it looks like the cobra brake pedal ratio is 4.63 to 1 and not 3.75 like I had thought.  The 4.63 is more believable and falls into the range of most of the other ratios on others.  Since I already bought the PB-2 kit I will just use the stud from the kit and set the plate aside for who knows what. 

Hoping I can get some work done this weekend.  It's almost impossible to work on the mustang with busy season at the hospital.  Another 12 hour day today but the pay checks are good.

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11/12/2020 6:25 AM  #34


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

I made a drawing last night from the stock pedal and the HB unit.  The red lines are for the HB locations.  Kind of hard to follow but I'm working on it.  Next step is to see if I can still use the PB-2 plate and what I will need to do for the factory mounting studs on the HB bracket.  The bottom two will more than likely run into the column area.

[img]<img src="https://i.ibb.co/cwn3f3T/HB-drawing2.jpg" alt="HB-drawing2" border="0">[/img]

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11/12/2020 5:01 PM  #35


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Just curious because I don’t remember.  My 98 GT had a master cylinder with diagonal mounting flange. Is the cobra master cylinder the same?  Will you be using the cobra master cylinder?


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11/12/2020 5:21 PM  #36


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS wrote:

Just curious because I don’t remember.  My 98 GT had a master cylinder with diagonal mounting flange. Is the cobra master cylinder the same?  Will you be using the cobra master cylinder?

If you mean is the HB at an angle, yes it is.

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11/12/2020 5:23 PM  #37


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Made some good progress today on the mounting of the hydro boost to my stock pedal.

All that time making drawings and trying to figure things out and all I ended up doing was Drilling a mounting hole 5/8 lower than the top bolt of the brake pedal bracket. The more I looked at things the more it looked like a straight forward mounting other than having the wrong ratio. This was with the top bolts from the hydro boost bracket fitting inside of the top bolt holes on the brake pedal bracket.

Once I lowered the mounting location by 5/8 I then clamped the pedals in the fixed location and it all lined up with my layout marks. I ended up lowering the stud down 5/8’s and and inward a 1/2 but this 1/2 was just a measurement. I actually fit the stud by scrubbing a circle from the ID of the pushrod. Then I took a die grinder to set the stud location. Then shoulder on the stud needs to be removed so I can fit the plastic washer and brake light switch. If I don’t remove the shoulder the MC rod will have an angle to it.

I also made a steel plate to mount to the inside of the firewall. This will provide a sandwich of the firewall between the HB plate and the plate I made. I will weld the plate to my brake pedal bracket.

I was hoping I could post pics from my phone, no luck.  My desk PC died today so I need to swap it out with my spare.

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11/12/2020 5:29 PM  #38


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

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11/12/2020 6:25 PM  #39


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Good job RTM.

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11/12/2020 6:56 PM  #40


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Bullet Bob wrote:

Good job RTM.

BB1

 
Thanks.

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11/14/2020 1:04 PM  #41


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Making a little progress today.  I was able to get the holes drilled in the firewall and mock up the HB unit.  There's a side block that I think is there to relocate the lines for a better fit on the mustang/cobra.  I'm hoping I can remove this side block and just attach the lines to the side.  if not I think I can just as easily install 90 degree fittings to clear the hood hinge.  Other than that, I think the fit is pretty good and feels really solid.  

I'm thinking of maybe even running lines out through the inner fender and back to the PS pump from a lower approach to give the lines a hidden appearance.  

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11/14/2020 5:52 PM  #42


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

From what little research I have done tonight it looks like the 03/04 cobra HB is the same as a 96-98 (not sure on the years that group here) HB is the same unit just without that side block that just happens to be in my way.  I might just remove it tomorrow and see what surprise I get.

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11/15/2020 2:49 PM  #43


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

No luck with removing the block.  I either need 90 degree fittings or see if I can drill and tap access from the side of the block.

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11/15/2020 6:51 PM  #44


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Just curious.  Do you have a wedge between the firewall and hydroboost so the top of the master cylinder fits level?  If not, it might be contributing to your pedal ratio issue.
I am using a 2019 booster on my 56 F100, and it required a wedge 3/4” thick at bottom and 1/8” thick at the top.


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11/16/2020 5:00 AM  #45


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS wrote:

Just curious. Do you have a wedge between the firewall and hydroboost so the top of the master cylinder fits level? If not, it might be contributing to your pedal ratio issue.
I am using a 2019 booster on my 56 F100, and it required a wedge 3/4” thick at bottom and 1/8” thick at the top.

Yes it still has the factory plate mounted to the HB unit itself that places the angle to keep the MC level.   Without the wedge I would end up with more clearance but the MC would not be level.  I'm guessing you meant clearance issues and not ratio issues.  The ratio is set up for 4.6 to 1, so that should be good to go.

I added an extra plate to the inside of the firewall for added support.  Just not sure if I will weld it to the pedal assembly or.

I believe the low pressure port is SAE 5/16-24 and I can purchase a banjo style fitting which will give me all the clearance I need.  I can buy the banjo fitting in either both ends, 6AN or have it attached to the line itself when the line is made.  

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11/16/2020 9:57 AM  #46


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

From your picture, the unit needs to be angled upward. It points down, or is level, when it should angle upward.  The TOP of the plastic tank should be level, not the master cylinder centerline. This added wedge may also increase room for the fittings.

Are you sure about the pedal ratio?  Most modern mustangs were closer to 3:1. The wedge would improve the ratio.

Definitely weld your brace to the pedal support. You want the pedal support and the hydro unit to act as one piece, which removes any firewall deflection from the equation.


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11/16/2020 11:33 AM  #47


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS wrote:

From your picture, the unit needs to be angled upward. It points down, or is level, when it should angle upward.  The TOP of the plastic tank should be level, not the master cylinder centerline. This added wedge may also increase room for the fittings.

Are you sure about the pedal ratio?  Most modern mustangs were closer to 3:1. The wedge would improve the ratio.

Definitely weld your brace to the pedal support. You want the pedal support and the hydro unit to act as one piece, which removes any firewall deflection from the equation.

 
The unit is anglers up.  I researched the pedal ratio and only found one person who claimed they installed the same HB and the ratio was 4.63-1.  I had nothing else to go by.  I read a post that claimed a different ratio but had no way of confirming it.   I’m pretty sure I posted here that I was trying to figure out the 03/04 ratio.    If I need to change it then now would be the time.   Couple pictures showing the factory angled plate.   I did not mount the booster to the plate I made.   I added the plate to the inside of the firewall to help stiffen it all up plus mount the pedal support to it.  The factory angled plate is on the outside of the firewall.


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11/16/2020 5:05 PM  #48


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

Since I can not confirm what the actual ratio is I figured it would be best to stop where I'm at and not proceed until I know for sure what the ratio is.  I'm reading its from 4.8, 4.6 and 3.0 to 1 ratios.  I'm actually right at 4.8.

To get to 3.0 to 1 I would need to lower it another 1 1/8 of an inch.  The stock HB bracket is not going to allow me to lower it that much without modifying it a lot.  I will have to relocate the mounting holes in order to drop it 1 1/8.  The only good thing out of that is I will be able to use the top two mounting holes on the stock pedal bracket.

So I'll wait to see if one of the ebay sellers gets back to me with some real numbers.  Maybe the different ratios I'm finding are from different points on the brake pad?

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11/17/2020 10:26 AM  #49


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

You can install a longer pedal and mount the pedal pivot higher up if you need a lesser ratio.  Like the 67 power brake cars and all Mustangs after 1978.

Thanks for the pics showing the angle of the plate.  I am guessing the pic I saw of yours with the master cylinder pointing down must have been prior to tightening the studs. 

One other challenge I ran into was the brake pedal hitting the input body of the hydro unit before it was 100% activated.  It has been many years so I do not remember all the details like yesterday.  And I am not even sure about yesterday!


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11/18/2020 2:28 PM  #50


Re: Cobra hydroboost with Mustang Steve T5 cable conversion???

MS wrote:

You can install a longer pedal and mount the pedal pivot higher up if you need a lesser ratio.  Like the 67 power brake cars and all Mustangs after 1978.

Thanks for the pics showing the angle of the plate.  I am guessing the pic I saw of yours with the master cylinder pointing down must have been prior to tightening the studs. 

One other challenge I ran into was the brake pedal hitting the input body of the hydro unit before it was 100% activated.  It has been many years so I do not remember all the details like yesterday.  And I am not even sure about yesterday!

 
Got a reply back from Maximum Motorsports.   4.75-1


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