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Ok, two questions for all of you-
1. Am I nuts for considering this?
2. Notwithstanding the answer to the first question, what would you pay for it?
I have an opportunity to purchase a 67 GTA fastback. I have the Martii Report and it is an original GTA, 390-4v, C-6 car. With the options, Marti lists it as a 1 of 2. The options aren't really anything spectacular, so the 1 of 2 is more a novelty than something making the car worth a significant sum. The car was originally Acapulco Blue, but now is a mix of primer, faded blue and rust.
The car has the original drivetrain, but engine needs to be rebuilt. Unknown issues at this point with the engine. I assume the tranny and rear also need to be rebuilt.
The seller is candid that there is extensive rust. The car was built in Metuchen and delivered to Boston and appears to have spent all of its life on the salty Northeastern roads.
Seller claims to have the interior parts, console and some replacement sheet metal, but I would say it needs, at a minimum, front and rear frame rails, rear quarters and wheel houses, trunk drop offs, rad support, at least a patch in the passenger floor, torque boxes, and front fenders. Rockers and cowl are reported to be solid, but based on the way everything else looks, I am skeptical.
The car has been off the road for years and I would assume that everything in the car needs to be restored/replaced.
Seller said he had an offer from someone out of state for $15k. I told him that I could not come anywhere near that, so I would take the $15k if I were him. He said he'd prefer to sell locally to avoid dealing shipping and asked me what is the best I could.
I haven't laid eyes on the car in person yet and am trying to decide if it is even worth taking a look at it this weekend.
Here are a few pics.
So, would you buy this thing?
If so, what would you pay?
hourglass with flowing sand
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Wow, lots of rust to deal with. Question is are you doing the rust repair yourself, and have you dealt with major repairs like this before?
To pay some shop to make these repairs, I believe, will be quite costly and time consuming. You'll want a shop that does this kind of work, or quality and cost can be questionable.
IMO, rebuilding the engine, and transmission, is the least costly items you're dealing with. These "mechanical" rebuilds are a known quantity and cost. Rust repairs can go on and on.
I would pay much for this car, maybe $500 -$1,000. This is based on the quantity of repairs you've indicated.
Hope this helps.
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Short answer: no. No, I wouldn't make the purchase until I have inspected the car in person. Pictures never tell the whole story. Bring a bright LED flashlight and check the underside very thoroughly, etc.
I made a rusty fastback purchase mistake and later lost my shirt, shorts, and socks (not a pretty picture) later. I did inspect it in person but, apparently not well enough...I let my excitement over ride reason.
Just my advice based upon my semi-recent experience....
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Never buy rust. You can quote me on that.
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The 2 pictures is a common area that will rust thru, but that is pure rot. I can only imagine what the rest of underside is like. The only way I would tackle it, is to do it myself. Then I know its done right, but I still get more money then the car may be worth if needed to be sold.
Yes, 15k in my opinion is way to salty to start with.
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Agreed, mechanical stuff is easy and (comparatively) inexpensive.
I would like to do the rust repairs myself, but if I am being honest, my welding skills are not yet up to the task yet. But I am practicing!
I do have an excellent local shop that did the work on my 64.5 vert and I am guessing that the cost to have all of the rust repaired would probably be in the $15-$20k range, not including body work and paint.
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With the way fastback prices are I wouldn’t doubt the seller getting $15k for it. To add to this car it’s a 390 GTA car so yes I think it’s worth $15k. But I’m not afraid of rust repair.
Like others have said if you have to pay to get it the metal work done then you would be better of buying a more solid car or one already finished.
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Get out your handy-dandy Mustang catalogue and start looking up the parts you would need. Include all the badges, trim, dash board, etc stuff too. Add up the cost and double it because you will need more than you think. How much to rebuild the engine/trans/rear end. I bet you will be surprised at how much that alone will cost. Remember the MS law of restoration - Costs twice as much and takes twice as long as you estimate.
You say your welding skills are not great. I don't think you should develop your welding skills on it as the bad ones will rise up and bite you later.
How many years are you willing to spend doing this work by yourself? Can you retain your focus that long? What about your home life? What does your wife have to say about it?
Rather, spend $20k-$30k on a good one. Maybe come out here to Calif and find a rust free one. Your savings in parts alone will cover the cost. then you and your wife can spend some time in the most beautiful area in the country.
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You will easily have $50,000 or more invested in that car by the time it is finished. What are your plans- keep it or sell it?
Here's a similar car for comparison.
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We all checked our sanity at the door with the purchase of a second Mustang!!!! So, you can’t be considered crazy-er for considering it.
Short answers. Yes, I would consider buying it and take the time to get a look. All that will cost is some time. I would want it closer to $5k, which makes it doubtful that it would ever come home to me. Plus, I swore up and down that the next car would come in with body work complete, running and driving. Check the brands on the sheet metal to know if he bought good parts. If they put any miles on this car, you should find a crack on the front side of in the driver’s side shock tower where it starts to get narrow heading for the shock plate. I could see where it would need about $3500 in sheet metal from your description alone.
What makes you want the car?? Would it be more original or more restomod? If you are looking for more original, take the plunge. More restomod, start with a better body.
There is a nice looking Fastback on Ebay with a $67,500 buy it now price.
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Take your "body shop guy"...that did your other Mustang resto" when you go look. Get more info with a close look.
THEN.....make an offer or not!
Personally......nope! (Saving collectables don't interest me..I'm more of a hot rod-street rod-modify the poop-out-of-it guy...so I would "ruin" the value anyway)
6s6
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Hey you can join me with the Plasma torch cutting insanity.
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15k for all of that patina?😂
I would pass...better yet...run!
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Nope. To old for that crap. If your welding skills aren't too good, they'll be outstanding by the time you're done replacing every part on that thing.
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Maybe get it AND a complete dynacorn body. By the time you are done, you will have built your own Chinese version of a fastback anyway.
If you are buying a classic car for the value of it being an original big block car, my opinion is that all is lost once it has rusted away.
Spend the bucks to buy a nice original one. The $80,000 you spend now will pale after the final resto cost is tallied. And you will have an original one, AND you will have lots of time to enjoy it rather than work on it.
Now, on the other hand, if you have MOCHAMAN SYNDROME and saving a pile of stuff is your fun thing to do, nobody will criticize that decision. Sometimes the fun is in the DOING, not in the DRIVING.
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All good points. I also said my next one will be assembled and driving, but my next one will probably be the '69 coupe I have. That has been sitting since the mid '70s so it needs to be gone through top to bottom and it also needs quarters, but the rest of it is solid. I have been toying with the idea of doing a coupe to fastback conversion on that since I already own it and it is solid but for the quarters. But If I am going do that much work I'd probably be better off putting that money and work into something like this '67 and selling the coupe to fund a (very) small piece of the build costs of the 67.
The fact that it is a GTA is a plus and minus. It makes it a more "valuable" car, but I would not do a concours resto on it and would probably "lightly" modify it, so as was said above, I'd probably be better off finding a base model.
$5k was the number I had I my head. If I could pick it up for that and spend another $15k getting the metal work done, you'd be into it for about Dynacorn money but you'd have a "real" 67 GTA and never have to worry registration issues and, when finished, it would probably be worth more than a Dynacorn finished to the same level.
If I got the metal work done and got it into primer I could pick away at the rest of it over a few years when time allows. I joined this site when I started working on my 64.5 vert and I just checked when my first post was and, I am embarrassed to say, that it was almost 6 years ago. But I have been slowly picking away at it the whole time and it is just about done, so I guess it is safe to say I don't mind a long term project. LOL!
Plus, it is also a lot easier- both from a financial perspective and an explaining to the wife perspective- to space a build cost out over a couple of years than it is to write a big check for a completed car.
But, weighing everything, I think I am going to pass and look for something that is not quite so far gone.
I think your collective advice to not buy rust is good advice. If it were a Shelby, it would be in my garage already.
Texas! wrote:
You will easily have $50,000 or more invested in that car by the time it is finished. What are your plans- keep it or sell it?
Here's a similar car for comparison.
I was looking at that car the other day. Looks like a nice car but I don't know what they did to the exhaust.
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I never thought welding skills are the most important issue here. No offence to welders but your not building a ship or skyscraper here, the welding skills can be learned with proper equipment. This is no weekend project, this is more about time and dedication. Look at what Mochaman is into, I wish I had that kind of perseverance. You got a roof to help hold things into place, it may make things a little easier. I agree this can be a $50K project to do right, and that's doing a lot on your own. Keep in mind anything missing from a GTA will be hard to find and cost big bucks to replace. I couldn't see going over 5K, I wonder why someone would turn down 15K to sell local. That's sounds like someone in dream world trying to raise the price, don't let it affect your offer. If you got the time and dedication, (Mochaman syndrome as Steve stated, I was vaccinated for that as a kid) go for it if the price is right and your in for a world of hurt. I would love to see the end product, keep in mind it won't be easy.
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Let me get this straight...........you have a 64 1/2 .......a 69 coupe....both under construction and repair
and now you're looking at a 67 GTA rust-pile?!!!
WOW!!
You must have a huge garage/wallet/a wonderful wife!!! What is your daily driver?! (just curious!)
6sal6
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64.5 is basically done after 6 years. Just needs the top installed and then some test miles to work the bugs out. 69 is not under construction, it is in hibernation awaiting construction. It hasn't been touched since late 70s. No huge wallet, but I did build a detached garage a few years ago and do have a very understanding wife.
We have long winters here, so garage projects are a good way to spend the winter months.
DD is a Honda.
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You all rite in my book!!
Just got a lot of balls in the air......where you live?
Hope to get my detached started soon!!!
6sal6
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Another option if you get at a realistic price.
Build/purchase a custom frame and use GTA driveline.
An example like Kevin Tetz “Jaded” or several of the Ring Brothers builds...down to earth versions.
Here’s the chassis information
Last edited by Nos681 (1/09/2021 4:03 AM)
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one other thing to consider is your age, your over all health, and you wife's? do you have enough time to actually see it finished? I understand there were only a few GTA built, but at 15K, and another 50 to 80K total in the car, what would it's worth be when finished? understanding wife sounds like you've got a good one. 40 years ago one of my wifes friends told her that I sure spent a lot of time working on cars. my wifes was not happy about that comment and ended that friend ship with a reply, "at least my husband is home and not in the bars, and chasing women"
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Sanity (for once) has prevailed. I passed on the car.
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