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    7/20/2023 9:47 AM  #1

    Glens 1965 50
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    Borgeson Box and header question.

    Went through a couple of searches and didn't see what I wanted. But all who have the Borgeson box in your car with a small block Windsor, what type of headers/exhaust manifolds have been used with no fitment issues? 

    The     particular car I'm dealing with is a 65-66 car.  Would prefer to have a shorty style if possible. TIA.

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    7/20/2023 10:24 AM  #2

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Went through a couple of searches and didn't see what I wanted. But all who have the Borgeson box in your car with a small block Windsor, what type of headers/exhaust manifolds have been used with no fitment issues? 

    The     particular car I'm dealing with is a 65-66 car.  Would prefer to have a shorty style if possible. TIA.

    Can't say about the 65-66 but the JBA Shorty headers fit fine with the Borgeson conversion I have on my 68. I did have to do one mod to the 351W  block when installing the headers. I had to trim a protrusion off about 1/2" at the forward end of the block on the driver's side for the # 5 tube to fit.
     

    68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
     

    7/20/2023 11:15 AM  #3

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Thanks Ron.  I tried JBA and Flowtech.  Both no joy.  The hunt continues.

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    7/20/2023 11:32 AM  #4

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Al’s 65 has a 351w based 408 in it with borgeson and headers. They are tight but does fit. I don’t remember if he has Heddman or JBA.

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    7/20/2023 12:38 PM  #5

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    HIPO's....no problem!  Butt (TS&T), with two blowers, nitrous, wizzy EFI, SAL cam, etc, etc.  and such that would cost significant performance.

    "you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
     

    7/20/2023 4:54 PM  #6

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    JBAs hit on my '67.  I had to put a good sized dent in one tube to get clearance.  I hear you can't go wrong with FPA. 

     

    7/20/2023 8:47 PM  #7

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Sanderson shorty headers

     

    7/20/2023 10:44 PM  #8

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Headman shorties,  no problems

     

    7/21/2023 9:03 AM  #9

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Thanks all.  Will advise when the final product is in.

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    7/22/2023 2:41 PM  #10

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    I am using the full leingh "FPA" headers made up in Washington. I dont remimber the brand but all they do is Ford headers. Best fitting headers I have ever used. Slide right in. and this is true both sides fit with no issuses. And yes I too have the borgison steering conversion on my 65 w/C4 trans. Another nice thing is they dont hang down lower than the frame. I can get you pics if you need/want

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    8/25/2023 9:39 AM  #11

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Just for posterity's sake,  went with headman shorty, #88406.  Ceramic coated.  Fit like a glove.

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    8/25/2023 12:40 PM  #12

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Just for posterity's sake,                                         .

    OH.....you got issues like BILLY too!?
    6sal6
     

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    8/27/2023 8:27 PM  #13

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    6sally6 wrote:

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Just for posterity's sake,  .

    OH.....you got issues like BILLY too!?
    6sal6
     

    huh?
     

    Its really me....I fixed my caps lock .
     

    8/27/2023 8:44 PM  #14

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    BILLY WALTON from GEORGIA wrote:

    6sally6 wrote:

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Just for posterity's sake,  .

    OH.....you got issues like BILLY too!?
    6sal6
     

    huh?
     

     
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    8/27/2023 8:58 PM  #15

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Just for posterity's sake,  went with headman shorty, #88406.  Ceramic coated.  Fit like a glove.

    https://1320motorsports.com/88406-hedman-ceramic-coated-headers-64-77-mustang-66-70-fairlane-289-302/

    that the ones you got?
     

    Its really me....I fixed my caps lock .
     

    10/06/2023 9:57 AM  #16

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    Glens 1965 50 wrote:

    Just for posterity's sake,  went with headman shorty, #88406.  Ceramic coated.  Fit like a glove.

    Do you have an automatic or T5 with clutch cable?

    1966, vert, Installing a new 347, 5 speed, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", epas
     

    10/06/2023 2:10 PM  #17

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    Re: Borgeson Box and header question.

    T5 with one of our hydraulic clutch kits.

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