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8/16/2014 7:47 PM  #1


Removable Cowl Cover

Now that I'm going back over and improving/redoing quite a bit of my original sheet metal repair work, I started fantasizing about making the cowl cover on my 1967 coupe removable. I'd love to have it be easily painted internally by simple disassembly. Have a few ideas on how I would do it, and it would require some internal bracing of some kind to preserve unibody stiffness.  Anybody ever done this successfully, know someone who has, or have any good ideas that might work? I found a guy on the web who did this on his '65, however he strangely didn't post pics of the finished product. My idea was kinda similar to his. 

 

8/16/2014 9:01 PM  #2


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

You might want to look at a 69-70 Mustang to see how theirs is made.  They are bolt-on.


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8/17/2014 7:09 AM  #3


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

I thought long and hard about doing this to mine as well. But the reality became clear that it wasn't nessessary. These cars lived for at least 20+ years as daily drivers before the cowls rotted out. And that was with little or no paint inside the cowls. These cars lives are different now, the only time they get wet is when you wash them. I ended up just replacing the upper and lower cowl with stock peices, but just OVER did it this time. Weld through primer on the flanges , couple heavy coats of paint everywere else. Then I rolled on ah thin layer of roofing tar on the flange so when the two went together they were sealed from the inside. Then I also ran ah line of strip caulk around the inner perimiter to keep water and debris out of the seam. Thennn when I was done ,I touched it up with internal frame sealer. This is WAY OVER KILL, but it should NEVER need another cowl!!!!!!


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8/17/2014 7:56 AM  #4


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

Derek wrote:

I thought long and hard about doing this to mine as well. But the reality became clear that it wasn't nessessary. These cars lived for at least 20+ years as daily drivers before the cowls rotted out. And that was with little or no paint inside the cowls. These cars lives are different now, the only time they get wet is when you wash them. I ended up just replacing the upper and lower cowl with stock peices, but just OVER did it this time. Weld through primer on the flanges , couple heavy coats of paint everywere else. Then I rolled on ah thin layer of roofing tar on the flange so when the two went together they were sealed from the inside. Then I also ran ah line of strip caulk around the inner perimiter to keep water and debris out of the seam. Thennn when I was done ,I touched it up with internal frame sealer. This is WAY OVER KILL, but it should NEVER need another cowl!!!!!!

WOW....you are going to weld that cowl with the flamable cement...oooh fire...fire....jj 


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8/17/2014 8:25 AM  #5


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

It's already done. If you look at the first pics I did ah test peice to see how it would weld. The trick was to put the roofing tar on the side with the holes. Then using a rag with mineral spirits and the tip of my finger I cleaned the exess of around each hole. ( Very tedious) but worth it in the end. You have to go really slow with the welding as to not heat it up too much. That being said the heat you do create melts the tar and it spreads out insde the flange as you can see here in this pic

Last edited by Derek (8/17/2014 8:26 AM)


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8/17/2014 8:46 AM  #6


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

DAMMM nice  Now that your done practicing come on over and do my cowl  

 

8/17/2014 11:59 AM  #7


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

Derek - very, very nice work.  (somehow my 65 escaped rusting in the cowl area)


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8/17/2014 12:01 PM  #8


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

Nice job Derek!

Here's what I was thinking: I removed the upper cowl and replaced the cowl areas with patch panels about 13 years ago. I coated the underside of the cover and lower cowl with POR-15, then ran a bead of silicone sealer along the edge similar to how you did. Then I painted over the POR-15 with rattle can paint approx the color I wanted to have the car painted. I used weld-through primer on the flanges, and welded it back on. There are a couple of problems with this that I found out much later: 

1) Turns out the silicone while well intended, has crappy adhesion and peels off relatively easily. 
2) I lap welded the patches, and I'm not entirely confident in my welding skills back then. 
3) The spray can paint doesn't adhere well to the POR-15. 
4) The POR-15 doesn't always adhere to the metal well over time, even using that metal-ready spray.
5) I painted the POR-15 right over some of the old paint in the center section of the lower cowl, again, adhesion woes.
6) I layed down plastic bags on the inside of the cowl to prevent debris from getting in when grinding welds and a small piece accidentally got pinched between the cowl flange in an inaccessible area and melted from the welding, and I can't get it out.

Now I've decided I am going to have the car acid dipped at a resto shop in Oregon, and they've said they'll be able to get to the inside most of the cowl with epoxy and a wand, which fixes some of the above problems. But making it somehow removable would give me a lot more peace of mind. That ensures complete coverage when painting and makes it possible to get the crap out of it if it's parked under a tree or something. That way I don't have to worry as much about weather as well. It's probably overkill, but it would be the ultimate cowl solution.

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8/17/2014 12:23 PM  #9


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

Here's how I did it if you change your mind down the road and need some guidance. It was a "How to" I did a couple of years ago

http://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=1025

I didn't paint the inside of my cowl the exterior color of the car(Painted it POR-15),but it is easily paintable when the upper panel is not on.Everyone has their own technique but I didn't use sealer in between the seams like Derek.Just seamed around the perimeters  when both pieces were already welded. I did use Weld-thru primer in between the panels where they both met/welded.. When my upper panel was on and the car was ready for primer and paint,I used the passenger side vent to fish in and stretch out a piece of trash bag until it reached the driver side,Kept from getting overspray into my cowl.Its different from all others, but I like the touch of black inside the cowl.

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Last edited by Ramses (8/17/2014 12:25 PM)

 

8/17/2014 2:54 PM  #10


Re: Removable Cowl Cover

Jieve wrote:

Nice job Derek!

Here's what I was thinking: I removed the upper cowl and replaced the cowl areas with patch panels about 13 years ago. I coated the underside of the cover and lower cowl with POR-15, then ran a bead of silicone sealer along the edge similar to how you did. Then I painted over the POR-15 with rattle can paint approx the color I wanted to have the car painted. I used weld-through primer on the flanges, and welded it back on. There are a couple of problems with this that I found out much later: 

1) Turns out the silicone while well intended, has crappy adhesion and peels off relatively easily. 
2) I lap welded the patches, and I'm not entirely confident in my welding skills back then. 
3) The spray can paint doesn't adhere well to the POR-15. 
4) The POR-15 doesn't always adhere to the metal well over time, even using that metal-ready spray.
5) I painted the POR-15 right over some of the old paint in the center section of the lower cowl, again, adhesion woes.
6) I layed down plastic bags on the inside of the cowl to prevent debris from getting in when grinding welds and a small piece accidentally got pinched between the cowl flange in an inaccessible area and melted from the welding, and I can't get it out.

Now I've decided I am going to have the car acid dipped at a resto shop in Oregon, and they've said they'll be able to get to the inside most of the cowl with epoxy and a wand, which fixes some of the above problems. But making it somehow removable would give me a lot more peace of mind. That ensures complete coverage when painting and makes it possible to get the crap out of it if it's parked under a tree or something. That way I don't have to worry as much about weather as well. It's probably overkill, but it would be the ultimate cowl solution.

Yeah I tried the POR15 thing as well and ended up strippin it all back off. In my opinion its just way too picky about what it wants to stick to. I was able to peel most of it off with ah blow gun if that tells you anything As for repainting yours I'd recommend useing this stuff from eastwoodIt comes with about ah 24" hose with a nozzle on the end that you can stick ANYWEAR you need it to go. The nozzle sprays ah 360 degree pattern inside your work. It took 2 cans to do the cowl


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