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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Proverbial dead horse beating » 4/06/2019 1:11 PM |
Bullet Bob wrote:
And...they STILL haven't answered your original question...LOL. Butt (TS&T), I will make a feeble beginning effort.
For a simple street driven cruiser I prefer the HiPo cast iron manifolds. They clear everything, are reasonably priced, and if treated to a bead blast and two coats of POR-15 Exhaust paint will look great for years.
Or, a lot of guys on here go for various headers and the best fitting seem to be the JBA Shorties. I guess they are pricey but they are apparently the easiest to deal with in the early cars.
You mentioned Tri-Ys and other than hanging down in the dirt, if you are running EFI they will cause you to place the HEGOs a long way from the exhaust ports...and that isn't the best for closed loop operation from what I have read.
Okay, I got it going. Now people who know what they are talking about can chime in.
This makes sense, placement of the HEGO would definitely be higher up if I used a shorty, leaning towards patriots cloisters, supposed to tuck tight Up against the motor. Also need to place the wide band 02 sensor in there somewhere.
Good luck and If you go with the MegaSquirt let us know how it works out.
BB
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Proverbial dead horse beating » 4/04/2019 10:00 PM |
6sally6 wrote:
Why would you NOT want to use a nice Edelbrock carb and intake?! Maybe you don't realize what you'll be missing.....
The gas fumes....the stinky exhaust(I put cherry fragrance in my ethynol fuel)....the cold start issues(the chug-chug-chug of warm ups)....the sticking electric chokes....the pat-pat-pat of the accelerator while crank-crank-cranking the engine....smelly clothes after a nice ride.......jeez why???!
6sally6
Hahahah, funny stuff right there! Honestly I have never owned a car with a carb, that’s sounds weird now that I say that... well maybe I did my first car was a 65 Volkswagen bug but I never had issues that I remember, do recall the sweet smell of running rich and such. I guess I also get my fill in my old ski boat, 454 with an edlebrock on it! Talk about cold starts and running rich, plus I used to run it cool without a thermostat, it always ran nice and cool though. Lots of pumping the throttle...
I never did get an answer to my original question, what headers does everybody prefer with a T-5 and cable clutch?
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Proverbial dead horse beating » 4/04/2019 4:31 PM |
Raymond_B wrote:
That's awesome. Yeah the stim allows you to power up the Megasquirt on the bench and simulate some of the sensor inputs like TPS, O2, RPM, temp etc. Comes in handy to ensure that the box is working good. I found that it's good for learning the Tuner Studio software as well. Not sure what you mean about the turbo? Do you mean turbo/automatic trans features in the Megasquirt? I'd take the MSD box, you could sell or trade it down the road
Interesting, I was not exactly sure what the stimulators function was, good to know, I am just kinda scratching the surface with the Microsquirt stuff. Well the gentleman was running a boosted setup with 80mm turbo on his fox body, with E85 or some such thing, but in researching adding a turbo to my car being a manual vs. an automatic trans car, I have not found a way to route the exhaust with a manual trans car and they only seem to route it with an automatic trans car.
TKO, I had read about the quarterhorse and a little about the moates, but just have easy access to this megasquirt for a pretty good deal. With it being a DIY unit it should just come “pre-tuned” to just run my 306, with any adjustment being easily accessible. Like I mentioned I found the A3M1 computer ( thats for a 1992 5.0 5 speed trans) but was a little Leary after reading a few threads about folks having a glitch in the old computers and locking up their motors? Also you mention there is a built In rev limiter in the Fox body system, wouldn’t that be in the software of the ECU? Wouldn’t the redundancy of the MSD ignition just be a good fail safe?
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Proverbial dead horse beating » 4/04/2019 12:03 PM |
Raymond_B wrote:
Keep the Fox wiring in place and get a Plug and Play Megasquirt! DIY Auto Tune has them along with Stinger perf. They plug right in to the 60 pin EEC connector.
Hey Raymond, indeed thats what I am looking at. The gentleman whom I bought the Edlebrock intake from was running it on his foxbody with the DIY Auto tune with Megasquirt 2, he is removing his 347 in favor of a big block, so I got a good deal on the intake and I will be buying the DIY from him as well, with all the components that go with it, wide band 02 sensors, some sort of stimulator(?) diy auto tune, extra efi harness, etc. He was also running a little turbo 80mm with this setup but I can’t seem to find a way to make that work with a manual car, only for A/T. Also said he will throw in a MSD-6AL-2 but not sure I need that?
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Proverbial dead horse beating » 4/04/2019 11:06 AM |
Been many days since I frequented ol Mustang Steve fyi, my project is moving along at a snails pace, literally stalled up for the last year with little to no progress... such is life I guess?
Either way, narrowing it down to a couple headers for my 306 w/AFR 165 headers, converting to a T-5z (I bought from he amazing Glenn At Rosehill Performance) with his supplied bell housing which I am not sure exactly that is anymore? Will be a power steering car probably convert further to the Borg Warner unit. Which headers y’all using? Considering the Patriot Clippster shorty, or possibly tri-y, I seem to get conflicting fitment information wherever I look?
Well I guess I can’t say I have made no progress, deciding to go EFI on my car by way of the foxbody system. Acquired all the parts needed from efi harness, fuel rails, couple sets of injectors, found a nice top end setup in the edlebrock performer RPM2. ( which I just got back from powder coating to match the paint scheme, call me crazy) found a A3M1 computer ( but am considering using a mega squirt 2 instead as it might be hard to replace the stock computer down the road, and adjustability of the MS is nice) , bbk 70mm throttle body spacer. Yadda yadda, I keep telling myself it’s a labor of love...
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 6/08/2018 9:18 AM |
Edelbrock Performer w/ boosted setup which I think would be a kick in the pants, but worry I would spend my whole life tuning and fiddling around with tuning, then more trouble shooting... neat as heck though, any chance it would be like my excursion and I could just drive the thing worry free and let the computer do it’s thing?
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 6/08/2018 9:14 AM |
Said this is a typhoon intake w/ 90mm plenum reduced down to a 70mm throttle body, “ plug and play” w/ 41lb injectors
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 6/08/2018 8:50 AM |
Hey gang doubling back on this to ask a few questions about the EFI route. I bought a “ couple crates” of efi goods from a gentleman with a fastback that changed his mind on EFI and is sticking with carb, so for 100$ I received more wiring than I know what to do with, several computers (ecu’s A3m1 being one) headers, fuel pumps, several fuel rails/intake manifold, box of new injectors, high P.O. injectors, yadda, and what ended up being a gt40 upper and plenum. So I decided to look for a different intake and found a guy close by selling an Edelbrock Performer intake and plenum that he had on a race car w/ 347 and a turbo setup, he is pulling out to put a big block of some sort in his 90 fox body. Long story short he is parting with these goods for a steal of a price, and has a couple intakes and turbo and all kinda stuff, bbl 70mm throttle body,seems the deeper I dig the more I get out of my league, it’s a sickness I think, my self talk “dude just throw a carb on and drive this classic” ... ala 6 sally 6.
Anybody ever put a turbo on a classic? He mentioned something to the tune of a mega squirt 2? DIY tuning? How long is a piece of string.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/09/2018 8:13 PM |
6sally6 wrote:
devovino wrote:
6sally6 wrote:
Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6.... Researching the foxbody efi mgmt system....... find all the needed parts that are available.... takes a lot of time...... hoping the right tune will be attainable w/ alum. heads and cam.... need gas tank.... return line.... in tank fuel pump... yadda yadda
EXACTLY!!!!
We ain't promised another day!!!
I vote carb and intake and drive...drive...drive...
You got lotsa drizzly days to look for parts...not many pretty/sunny days to enjoy.
6sal6
Haha, like I said, very little drizzle here in the high deserts, we kinda transition right to snow.... which could be more fatal. I mean, one could drive their classic in the rain right? Test out my new windshield.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/09/2018 8:54 AM |
6sally6 wrote:
Well...........I know for a fact you guyz are just entering your "nice weather period" for this year. I also know it starts back with the rain/drizzle sorta early too.
I'd throw a carb on it and drive the dookey out of it while you can enjoy it!
Jus say'in
6sal6
Copy that! I mean here in Bend were high desert at 4000ft ^ sea level so its usually really nice/dry, way less "drizzly" than say Portland, but yeah short summer's for sure, half of me does want to just intake/carb this thing and get it rolling asap, but the other half says stick it out and do it the way I want it the first time. Researching the foxbody efi mgmt system and have found all the needed parts are available, just takes a lot of time, then hoping the right tune will be attainable w/ alum. heads and cam. Still need gas tank, return line, in tank fuel pump... yadda yadda
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/08/2018 10:21 AM |
TKOPerformance wrote:
Yeah, depending on what it comes with that is a good price. I'd want all the accessory brackets, engine wiring harness, fuel lines, injectors, ECU, etc. What kills you is having to piece all that stuff together. The brackets, etc. are all being reproduced, and are easy to find, BUT they aren't cheap. The hardware kit for the brackets alone is like $70. That's where buying a complete engine has advantages.
Injector auction closed, no big deal, couldn't believe they only brought $75. I just lost $125. eBay just isn't what it used to be. 10-15 years ago everything sold for stupid money. Today it seems the stuff gets looks but no one buys. I've listed stuff on Craigslist too, but people there just want to try and give you half what you want for something by bringing cash and thinking they're slick. Hey genius, EVERYONE pays cash. What? Do you think I'm going to take a check from you? Anyway, such is the hobby. That words seems to fall painfully short though, its really an obsession, or a sickness isn't it?
Well the 200$ 5.0 sold, back to the drawing board. I did find a 95 mustang HO 5.0 in a junk yard w/ T-5 that had a small fire under hood which burned some harness and dizzy for 800$, but then A) have to take it all apart to get all the parts B) little fire (should?) Concerns me. C) At what point am I better off just going aftermarket for EFI, or just go with carb for simplicity reasons? Either way I would get a 5.0/T-5 for a future project, had my eye on a 1960 f-100 that would be perfect but one project at a time.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/04/2018 8:03 AM |
Hey TKO thanks for the feed back, I took a look at the injectors and ends in a few hours, might be a possibility. I well have to compile a list of things needed, makes sense about the harness better off to go new in that regard. I week take a look at LMR too see whst they offer. I am interested in the upper/lower might it make mute sense tho find it local, say craigs list? I found a 90 5.0 w/ AOD guy will partt with for 2/300$ tempted to go swoop it up, getting harder to find these days.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 3:22 PM |
Hey 6sally6 that is in fact what I installed, Yukon torque lock 3.55 rear end.
Bullet, wow that would be fantastic! I will keep an eye out for a PM and hold off before I start to gather components, I really appreciate it. Whats the going rate to have a man of your expertise on sight to help with install, :-)
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 1:32 PM |
Well that brings me to today, Definetly been lesson learned. Now to get this thing back together, if anybody remembered I had a hydraulic roller 5.0 built that is bored .30 over ( 306?) E303 cam, AFR 165 heads that I am mating to a T5z I got from Rosehill Performance, still need a clutch/fly wheel and all the things between motor and trans, looking for suggestions there?
Also, thinking since I have gone to these lengths I would like to go EFI, leaning towards peicing together the parts to go with the fox body EFI setup w/ manual transmission ECU. Best way to accomplish this, searching ebay and craigs list? Thanks y'all, sorry for the multiple posts, it's been a long year. ..
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 1:15 PM |
With the premise of "you get what you pay for" prior to finding this shop I had my car at a "restoration shop" to paint my car, it was when he stated "I am just going to leave the windshield in place when I paint it" I knew it was time to get it out of there. ... this is what it looked like underneath:
Also said he was going too leave the remnants of the convertible top in place and paint:
I cut the cowl ends to inspect/paint inside there, come to find out this is how the other shop tried tho repair it, tape and some sort of epoxy:
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Lastly, the other shop tried to replace inner fender apron w/o welding and again using some kind of glue, which the measurements were way off, so needed replaced, along with the front and opposing inner fender apron, not they cut around the vin to retain:
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 12:40 PM |
Some repairs they did, found this rear sail panel rusty and worth replacing.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 12:29 PM |
Ignot Silver Effect is a current ford color used on the mustang.
I really lije the way it came out, Now tho finish pouring the car back together.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » MIA » 5/03/2018 12:18 PM |
Been a while since I posted here, Between moving, remodeling, tearing my ACL/ w/ Meniscus tear and months of PT I am back at this restoration thing, needless to say life got in the way. While I was on the mend I find a shop local to me in Bend Or ( A-team Restoration, anybody ever heard of them? ) to do the body work, panel repair, and paint. I know the the meaning of "you pay for what you get" as it's been fairly pricey endeavor. I had planned on originally going with silver smoke gray, but opted for Ignot Silver
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » bore to 347? » 1/08/2017 11:03 AM |
TKOPerformance wrote:
Adjustable motor mounts will buy you like another inch of hood clearance. You can also forgo the carb spacer if needed. PVC or booster can be plumbed directly into the manifold or carb.
Lowercase, yeah its a 65.
TKO, I have been thinking about motor mounts and undecided as to which to go with, wanted to do the adjustable but figured I might not gain much w/o interference w/ the steering?
I am going to go with the RPM Non air gap w/650 Edlebrock carb, wondering if I need a low profile air cleaner?
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » bore to 347? » 12/30/2016 12:33 PM |
TKOPerformance wrote:
Ah, I didn't remember. In that case a 600 is fine and I would still go with the RPM Air Gap. Its the best dual plane intake for street use.
Been a bit since I posted any progress, figured I would add on this thread to include the back story. About to make an order on the aforementioned items, and have heard that the Air Gap (RPM) vs. Just the RPM is a tight fit under the hood, almost not doable? Anyone have first hand experience with this? Still thinking 600/650 edlebrock elect. choke. I see these combo kits on Summit but they are pairing the intake w/ a 800cfm carb, any reason for that?
While I have been compiling my punch list of needed item to finish this motor, car has been sitting at the same shop it was 9 months ago whilst the body guy slowly chips away at it, shaved some emblems, did a little rust repair, many coats of primer and block sanding and such. Panel alignment lately w/ doors/fenders, trunk lid and fender extensions and its been jammed with the original color silver smoke grey which is definitely growing on me. Have a few pictures on my phone, will see about trying to add them soon.
Now its finally about ready to get this motor/T5z installed (thanks Glenn at Rosehill performance) however still undecided on which clutch to use?
Other than that, as always thanks in advance for the input, always a valued group of minds and experience here, hope all are well and ready for 2017.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » nuts and bolts » 9/18/2016 10:47 PM |
MS wrote:
On a rear end, it makes sense to have the gasket in place. Without one, the differential sits one gasket thickness farther to the rear, and that can make the rear wheels toed in very slightly.
On the oil pan, the whole point of using RTV is to eliminate the crush thickness. Think about it. Any material that needs to be crushed to function will deteriorate over time and lose that crush. A gasket that has to be squished hard to function spends the rest of its life trying to squish out the sides or otherwise fail. That is why pan bolts loosen up on their own. With RTV only, you can torque the bolts tight just like holding two metal parts together, so they will never loosen up. Why waste money on a gasket when the RTV will do a better job?
I doubt you will find a pan gasket on any late model car.
Yeah, good explanation as it makes perfect sense. I just have a gasket here for the pan already because it came with the master gasket kit that the engine builder must have ordered at some point from felpro. I also agree and it makes sense I guess I was trying to apply the same thinking as the rear for the pan.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » nuts and bolts » 9/18/2016 11:24 AM |
MS wrote:
On those torque settings... They are posted for use on CORK GASKETS.
If using RTV, tighten the bolts down tight and leave it alone until it dries. Use a razor blade to trim off the DRY extra sealant that oozes out. Put it together WET. That is the whole point so it won't leak. Get both the pan and the block 100% coated with a thin layer, then add a bead down the middle of the pan.
Keep in mind you don't want to use it so thick that it oozes into the inside of the engine where it will eventually break off and get through the oil pump into a crankshaft oil passage. If that happens, that rod bearing becomes instant toast. And not the tasty kind.
Copy that, makes perfect sense. What might not make sense and stop me if I am off base here, but I had considered using both the gasket (for crush strength) and a bead on both the pan and motor mating surface. I remember somebody recommended this for my rear end, as it also makes for easier cleanup/removal if I ever have to access in the future.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » bore to 347? » 9/16/2016 6:25 PM |
TKOPerformance wrote:
The Performer doesn't have enough port for a 347, especially if you run any kind of RPM. Run a Performer RPM Air Gap, that's the best manifold you can put on it.
For the carb. a 600 would work, but a 650 would be better, especially if you're going to run it above 5,500RPM. Edlebrock carbs are good and have good street manners. They are almost infinitely tunable, but you can get lost in the tuning options and often achieve the same thing six different ways. The reason racers run Holleys isn't because they're so good; its because they're simple.
Well its not actually a 347 if you remember but a 306, AFR heads 165, e303 comp cam. Was also reading good things about the weiand stealth.....
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » bore to 347? » 9/16/2016 7:55 AM |
rbtconsultants wrote:
We just got our fresh 347 running in our 66 coupe. Has about 3 hours on it so far. Bought the 347 kit from Skip White Performance on Ebay. It comes balanced with the balancer and flexplate for around $1k. It has extra-height forged Wiseco pistons, so they have a nice thick top and easy to zero deck on a slightly decked block. We had our machine shop work a 90 302 roller block for us and install the rotating assembly into the short block. Total machine shop bill was about $900. They thought the rotating assembly was a nice kit.
I had Skip balance it with a flywheel (t5z transmission) for an extra $100, but that turned out to be a mistake because i wanted a flywheel for a 10.5" fox clutch and the flywheels Skip has are the 289/302 10" bolt pattern. They didn't drill the flywheel when they balanced it so i swapped it out for the fox flywheel we had on the old 289, so all is good.
We put edelbrock performer heads with 2.02 valves and scorpion 1.6 roller rockers, an edelbrock rpm intake, edelbrock 650 cfm thunder carb and a Comp magnum 270hr cam in it, with tri-y headers and 2 1/4" dual h-pipe exhaust.
No dyno on it yet, but it will spin the tires hard in 2nd if I hammer it while cruising at 25-30 mph in a straight line (9" 3.70 trac loc rear). Haven't really stretched its legs too much yet, but i can say it's a lot of fun. Probably going to need some better tires and maybe some Traction bars of some sort.
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I had originally considered a 347 build but opted out for one reason or another, high cost initially is what made me throw in the towel, but at this point cost differance is negligible if I start adding up receipts...... sounds like you did pretty well sourcing components on your build, good to hear.
I was inquiring on another thread about what would be the best intake manifold/carb to use on my engine and all i got was- " what's the acronym RTV stand for"........ I see you went with the Edlebrock RPM, I was
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » nuts and bolts » 9/15/2016 3:48 PM |
Rudi wrote:
jerseyjoe wrote:
Without lookin it up.... what does RTV stand for...jj
Room Temperature Vulcanising
Learn something new everyday. .... I just know that's WHAT I used when I sealed up my 8in after re-gearing!
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