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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Speaking of EFI » 4/09/2015 4:54 PM

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Sounds like you have just a couple mods there!  Surprised the lightning ran speed density, sounds like svo was behind the production side.  I have had a document compiled by Tom Cloud open on my desktop for the last few days.

You sound like the guy to ask, could you state the pros/cons of sequential vs semi-sequential or tell me where to find an answer?  I understand the multiple pulses per cycle, but haven't found a clear list of the benefits of each.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Speaking of EFI » 4/09/2015 11:54 AM

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Isn't your system already sequential?  So on the engine side you will still use a factory style harness/connector for all the existing sensors, and then run a separate harness for the coils?  Will you just use the stock distributor/pip signal or will you swap that out too?

The quarterhorse is the device that connects to the j3 connector and allows you to datalog/tune the eec-iv?  Was that a one-time purchase or is it quarterhorse + software + wideband o2 + features + more features?  What do you think of that system?

I have spent the last week learning as much as I can about how the current system works, pretty steep learning curve.  Aftermarket seems like a sizeable investment to then find out what the next upsell is to make it all work right.  Open source don't make economic sense when you factor in the time, but could bring other rewards.

I am playing with an arduino and want a lot of information the eec already has so I can provide status/alerts without having to add a bunch of gauges or keep a laptop plugged in.  For example by monitoring an injector pulse you can estimate mpg, or tapping the vss for more accurate epas control.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Drive LinePinion Angle measurement attempt » 4/08/2015 6:23 PM

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One issue that barnett might be seeing..

Based on my understanding, u-joints also need a minimum angle in order for the bearings to not wear out prematurely.  That is why some OEM manufacturers have rear-ends that are offset, and some even offset the entire engine/trans centerline (dodge?).

I am sure barnett knows the ideal angle, but maybe something to watch for down the road.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Electric fan size? » 3/28/2015 2:02 AM

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That's what I was thinking, right to the rails!  And a wide berth to slip that engine out, and maybe with the hood on?

I now have to refer to my radiator install as the little 24", and the cutting required was .. minor.

Thanks for posting the pic.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Electric fan size? » 3/27/2015 11:20 AM

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DC wrote:

I am running the DCC controller as well and it works great with the two speed fan I am using which is off of my 95 Mustang GT. It happened to fit mine since I severly cut the radiator support to take a 29 inch Radiator. My rad is also 3 inches core thickness, two rows of 1.5 inch tubes. I have the top of my rad support two bolt removable and the rad and condensor quick release to accomodate quick engine changes. I use my car as my mobile dyno now since my local dyno connection is no longer.

Not that I would want to put in a 29" radiator, but I am curious to see what that looks like.  I even went through your old posts looking for any pictures!  I was tempted to make my radiator support removeable when my lift was a few inches short of raising my engine high enough, but opted for a better lift..

I am liking this contour fan, looks like a perfect fit on my 24" radiator.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Another Battery Install » 3/15/2015 9:19 PM

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Wasn't planning on a battery box, venting should not be an issue with this type of battery.  Going to use the side-post terminals that are facing the fender but will have rubber boots on them too.

Moved it to the trunk for the cold air intake, and assumed the right side was to help a little with c/g.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Look what came home from the body shop » 3/15/2015 12:05 AM

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nice, like the color, i see you have extra floors and a blue fastback for parts, just in case

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Not all ball-joints are created equal.. » 3/14/2015 11:58 PM

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The upper compared to Moog which must be what everybody here uses already..

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Another Battery Install » 3/14/2015 11:51 PM

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Finally crossed something off my list as completed.



The side post mounts are on the fender side.  I welded 1.5" angle to the trunk lip and hung the battery over the ledge a little.  I used 1" angle on the inside mount and here is a picture before I trimmed it to match the trunk angle.




Best parts is it hides my welds, keeping them under wraps.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Final gear ratio question » 3/10/2015 12:38 AM

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Rebuilt a car that turned out to have 5.13's in it, could hit 3rd before making it through an intersection.  Story was the previous owner missed a shift and blew the engine trying to get the front wheels off the ground .. again.

First pumpkin i found was a 3.73, which was worlds better, and with maybe 50% freeway driving I had to do, they were still too short.

Next I found a 3.23, which was great on the freeway, but I thought was a little tall for the street, could not imagine going taller and definitely would have stepped up to 3.55 if I had found one.

A 3.5 was the one thing I already had decided, especially given I will have a 5th gear, not much free-way driving, and in a hilly area.

Nice to see that it seems to be the most recommended ratio.  It also looks like if you go much higher you can turn first into a granny gear.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Attention A/C gurus... » 3/10/2015 12:16 AM

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Plan to hand it to an a/c shop at the end to do the hoses and charge, but here is the sanden sitting on the oem mounts.  I am waiting on the rear ports to find out if the compressor needs to be mounted off-center. The width of the tabs already lines up good and the belt looks good.  Might draw something up to extend the brackets and get them cnc cut .. before R134a becomes obsolete.




 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Spiraling down the rabbit hole! » 3/09/2015 1:25 AM

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Spiral Week 8:

So another week with lots of motion, but don't feel much closer to the goal.  Had to do something just to feel like there was some progress, new chrome side pieces, shiny!




So one of the nuggets I went through a couple weeks ago was some reason rust got into the lower left sub-frame area.  This car doesn't have much rust on it overall, but this spot was by far way beyond anything else we have found:




Looks really bad, this is the area just below your feet looking from the engine compartment.

This is after I wire brushed it and then brushed on an aluminized undercoat, I don't recall there being any spot that wasn't covered, or any holes, none of the rust went through to the other side:



Then I made this piece, I don't have any sheet-metal tools, I just formed the edge with a hammer, and it looks a little off because it is just resting there.  Not going to show after I welded it, this was a good practice area for me, and required an extensive verbal expletives to make it right.



This is not anything I even imagined doing a couple of months ago, I nave never done anything like this and just making it up as I go.  I thought it might be my most ambitious fabrication on the car, but this last week has been throwing bricks at me when I thought I was finally treading water.. 


And now for the weeks notes, just say no!

Removed throttle body/egr, see no reason why I need a $50 aluminum plate to hold my throttle cable
Double checked the T5 trans mount, I see nothing wrong, nothing I can change and its wedged, lucky me
Bolted in the upper control arm with a reasonably close number of shims to test range of motion
Testing movement of the control arms, uca is definitely binding before it will hit the low-profile bump stop
Has plenty of range down low, absolutely no way I

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Not all ball-joints are created equal.. » 3/08/2015 3:37 AM

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I wanted to see how much I could lower the upper control arm without a bind .. trust but verify.  Figured new manufacturing techniques and these brand-new control arms I got from Dynacorn looked to have some updates.

So today I got the car sitting on the rear wheels up on cinder blocks and leveled things out to get it sitting close to an estimated ride-height.  I assembled the control arms, strut rod, and spindle, but no spring or shock.  I also bolted the shock tower cover on.  These are all oem type replacement parts mounted in their factory locations.  I am referring to a 1 5/8" snubber which I think is the stock dimension.

Here is what I found from my estimated ride-height of 13", I had -2 3/8" of rebound and 1 7/8" of bump before the control arms were bound by pressure from the ball joints, a whopping 4 1/4" of total travel!  I was moving the suspension by hand, and the stops were very definite.  I took all measurements from the floor to the spindle and just showing the ranges.

Sound absurd? It gets better.  The upper control arm never touched the bump stop, not even close.  I put the jack under it and jacked it up till it was starting to lift the car and got it to just touch the bump stop.  I got another 1.25" out of the spindle, but it also jacked the car too.  I had the spindles snug, but not torqued, so may have had some flex there too.

So I loosened the top/bottom separately and checked the travel with just one arm at a time while trying to hold the spindle in alignment.  It appeared the bottom ball joint was dictating the bounds, but the upper still couldn't be pushed into the snubber.

The alignment of the upper could be off, I just estimated with 3/8" front and 1/4" rear shims when I put it together.  That should give a little positive castor but camber might be +/-, but should be in the ball-park.   Even if it was off, the lower ball joint was controlling the stops, and disconnected, the upper couldn't reach the bumper without being f

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 5.0 EFI Fuel Line Route » 3/08/2015 1:44 AM

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JamesW!  Very cool, I really like all the information you put up on your site, and happy to hear I am on the right track.  I did searches for f150 fuel rails, but never found anything that looked like the explorer one.

I am in a test-fit mode right now and so will be able to pull everyhing to run the fuel lines.  Looks like more room on the drivers side with the way the t5 sits.

tko, thanks, I had been wondering what would need to change with different injectors, but assumed the rails would work correct with the ones stock ones I have?

Is there any reason to have a spacer between the manifold and the throttle-body other than for the throttle bracket?  I haven't found anything yet other than it might make the throttle cable a little tighter next to the regulator once a bracket was worked out.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Attention A/C gurus... » 3/08/2015 1:28 AM

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I am not a guru, just a few months into this, but I have a 1990 efi motor and was pretty excited that it had a much newer a/c pump and it should be so much better!

Wrong!  It is still a quarter century old and obsolete.  To switch to R134a you have to flush everything pristine.  Then the old a/c compressor will supposedly work, but it really can't handle the higher pressures of R134a and will never reach the full cooling potential.  Not sure if your car would have a parallel flow condenser, but thats what is recommended for R134a.

So I found this kit: http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/products/Mustang-AC-Conversion-Kits it is the only thing I found for upgrading the system, but seemed really pricey.  There are some mixed reviews, but those might have been early adopters.  I never asked if it was available piece-meal since the condenser probably wouldn't work, making it even more expensive in my case.

One popped up on craigslist so I went and checked it out.  The pump was a sd7 series, I would need to look up the number in my notes, but it is a good pump that can be bought new for $200.  A parallel flow condenser can be as high as $100 or so.  I read custom hoses can run $100.  The mounts raise the pump up and out a couple inches and you need a longer belt, but subtracting the other stuff, they are $350 all shiney black.  It is still for sale on craigslist..

So I bought a rebuilt Sanden compressor for $120, which I can make work on the oem bracket with a little fabrication; it should look like it belongs there.   Was actually looking at the mounting tonight.  Still trying to find the right condenser to fit my 24" radiator, but contemplating one with a built-in drier.  And that pretty much sums up where I am at on my a/c for under the hood.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 5.0 EFI Fuel Line Route » 3/06/2015 6:13 PM

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tubo, I don't want to rotate the intake itself, just get the fuel-lines to exit to the rear since that looks like the most direct route.  As an aside, I found the little aluminum spacers to replace the egr throttle bracket mount are $50+ which seems a little ridiculous.  Don't see any purpose other than to hold the bracket and not seeing any other off the shelf solution.

timc, Definitely familiar with the midnight designs website, but didn't know it by his name.  I plan to run both lines to the rear.

If the stock rails can be rotated the regulator would be under the intake and no idea if it would work, thats what I first thought was in the picture, but you can see the regulator top right.

I have searched e-bay completed listings for "(302, 5.0) fuel rail" and the only rails I have found that exit to the rear and keep the regulator in the same place is the explorer one.  They have sold in the past for $30-40.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 5.0 EFI Fuel Line Route » 3/06/2015 2:18 PM

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Thanks, I search pretty thoroughly before posting a question, but sometimes it is one keyword (explorer) that makes the difference.

I did locate this thread that states:

Other wrote:

For those wanting to use Explorer fuel rails, here's what I did and it appears that all will work fine:

- '89 5.0 engine & distributor
- '93 Mustang Cobra upper & lower intakes
- '96 Explorer fuel rails (the ones with return lines)
- '94/'95 Mustang adjustable fuel pressure regulator (Mallory)
- FMS 24# injectors
- Ron Morris flexible fuel lines routed via transmission tunnel (with appropriate precautions in order to route fuel lines in this area) 

But someone else had a distributor clearance issue in the same thread.  My 5.0 is a 90, so I guess I will hunt down a 96 explorer fuel rail unless I find a better option.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 5.0 EFI Fuel Line Route » 3/06/2015 12:34 PM

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The stock location is to drop down the front passenger side.

To run the lines to the rear I can head back between the oil pan and the motor mount and then either try to go up over the starter or go to the frame rail and then cross-over to the tunnel.  The header is pretty well centered on this side, making it a little tricky.

I have seen people run them through the apron and down more like the oem routing, but not too wild about that option either, but it may be better.  Also saw where someone bent the lines to go across to the front drivers side and then turn back.  Aftermarket rails/regulator is a pretty costly alternative.

A better solution looks to be to run out the back-side and down the drivers side of the tunnel near the brake line.

It looks like the way the injectors are angled the fuel rail could be turned 180 degrees, but not sure if the regulator will still fit or if thats even possible at all?

I found the picture below which told me there is something else out there, and looks to be an explorer fuel rail like here.

Any known issues or better options?




 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » TCP Motor Mounts installed today » 3/06/2015 12:12 PM

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jkordzi, funny you mention the t5 shifter hole alignment, I am having an issue but I have the moderndriveline cross-member and their shifter that sits 1" back.  I guess with a centered shifter you could move another 1" back, but the cross-member would need to be extended too.

jon, i do have a pmgr but the solenoid is up top already.  I will loosely-assemble the center this week-end just to make sure and figure out what to do for the frame brace.  Did you buy or build your brace?

mcstang, not sure on the durometer of the bushing, I can't find it in my notes, I know the tube size is slightly larger than the one called for by buening for the shackle rubber.  Haven't been able to reach the guy I had make them, thought he was planning to make some more sets after I got him some feedback.

barnett, I have the rear supported in a way that is hopefully pre-loading the springs some.  Going to get the rear supported on the wheels to verify.  If the angles hold I am at 3.9 degrees after the drop or 4.5 before, thats with a 2.5 up pinion angle and mid-eye springs, much further off than anticipated.

gotstang, the tcp mounts look like a very clean install, sorry if this got a little off-track.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » TCP Motor Mounts installed today » 3/05/2015 8:46 PM

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barnett468 wrote:

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why do you want to lower it?
 

Hello barnett,

My understanding is that the old style frame mounts on the 65-66 were about 1/2" lower than later ones.  The convertible and big-block mounts in 67+ were also 1/2" lower than standard.  Not clear why they lowered the convertible other than maybe cg or exhaust clearing the extra frame box?  So the first 1/2" sounds like a freebie.

Don't recall why people were using the 1" lower brackets in the motor-mount thread, but maybe for added tunnel clearance for a 6 speed or maybe so it would at least require less tunnel modification, or maybe purely for cg?

I think taking ~25% of the weight of the car and moving it lower or back will make a measureable change to the cg, maybe not too significant in the big scheme of things.

I plan to switch the efi intake to a GT40 version, and would like to use a 1" phenolic spacer.  So concern that it may add hood/export brace clearance issues, or at least it would be pretty tight, so lowering it may add some flexibility.

And lastly the drive-line angles could be changed in a small amount.  With 34.5" between the engine/trans mounts a 1" drop changes the rear-pinion relative angle by 1.6 degrees.  It appears it is in the right direction by going lower, but maybe still not enough in my case.

So far the downsides are the stock cross-member won't fit and the oil pan is lower to the ground.  I have the other brackets if I find a bigger negative and need to go higher.  I haven't checked the steering linkages yet, but that would be a game changer.

Those are the reasons I considered.  Any other positives/negatives?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » TCP Motor Mounts installed today » 3/05/2015 12:19 PM

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I handed a guy with a plasma cutter the plans for the rmp knockoff that were done by Buening (sp?) on vmf.  We discussed a couple of minor changes, and he used a 1.75" o.d. tube for a little more insulation and sent them to me fully welded.  I lost most of my side/side adjustment and will need to elongate the vertical bolt holes to make sure the mount doesn't touch the frame, but that wasn't totally unexpected.

The plans had 3 sets of brackets, and I have all 3, these are the 1" drop brackets.  The only issue I am having with lowering so far is the stock cross-member won't clear .. but I am not that attached to it..  I haven't had any side/side clearance issues for the headers or steering box the way it sits.

The t5 is dictating the fore/aft right now which is having it's own issues, but appears to be the only thing that would not let me move the engine back further since I don't have a drive-shaft yet.  I would like to go back another 1/2" to center the moderndriveline shifter which I think is 1" back from center.  Other than maybe losing an 1" of ground-clearance I can't find any reason to not want to go 1" lower and as far back as allowed.




 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Spiraling down the rabbit hole! » 3/03/2015 3:12 AM

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Date night from a week ago, big step getting the engine in sitting on the new mounts and the transmission too.  We installed the shifter handle so we could play with the gears like when mom was in the store!  Its the little things..




And here it is last week-end after getting the new pedal support mounted and the rear-end back in.  Radiator held up with a stick!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Spiraling down the rabbit hole! » 3/03/2015 3:03 AM

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1965 Mustang Ownership Day 160:

So the car has been apart for 7 weeks, seems like eons since we last drove it.

Finally turned the corner where we are putting things together to work out all the wiring/plumbing before taking it back apart to paint the underside.  But it feels like so much more progress than when taking it apart.

I have continued to write-up notes after the week-ends or any time I get over to do some work on it, I know, way too much to read, but if I can just help one person realize what is involved and just say no..

Actually we are still pretty excited about how this should turn out.




Since my last post on 1/11:

Starting scraping off patches of loose undercoat, some is permanent, some just falls off
No way 7.25” rear spring plates are usable for new rear, not even close
Strut rods came off in bad shape, one is pitted pretty bad, other has serious thread damage
Ordered drake 67+ spring plates and a couple of johnny joints and swedge tubes to check out
So appears front-end only had a cosmetic collision, nothing bent on body that I can find
Fenders appear to both be original panels, finding original red inside vendors, in front of doors
Some tweaked metal across top of radiator brace, and jack damage on the strut rod frame pieces, but one got mangled from a curb?
Trying to get the gas out, tried to raise one side of tank to make it faster and started a major drip
Noticed when I put pressure on the spout, the sender started leaking too, nice
Frantically grabbing drain pans, cut the hose and lifted tank out with 2-3 gallons left, cleaned up and called it a day

Pulled wheels/adapters/discs ms brackets, and swapped sides, cables fit much better
Assembled the rotors and wheel adapters and measured disc/rotor clearance, 0.008 at tightest spot
Used bolt to measure worst case caliper movement and the cable will still clear without kinking

Sold gas tank with a couple of gallons of gas to one guy, and rest of parts plus old rims/tires to another! $50

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 1965 mustang 5.0 EFI SWAP header selection » 3/03/2015 1:56 AM

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I am doing an efi swap in a 65, and decided to take a chance and buy the cheapest headers I could find, figured worse case I learn why I need to spend 2x+ the money, but will also know what to look for.

I did my test fit in the car last week-end and don't see any issues good/bad with the passenger side.  Any issue if any is going to be the drivers side.

This picture is kind of close-up, but it is looking straight down from the master cylinder and you can see where the collector is run close to the bell-housing.  There is no gasket in, but the header is snug.  In the upper right you can see the clutch cable running left to right into the mounting tab that is out of view.

The collector will be pretty close to the cable mounting tab off the bell-housing.  Closer than it needs to be since there is tons of room where the mechanical linkage would have been.  It looks worse in the picture than it is but I spent a few minutes underneath playing with the collector to make sure.

That would be my #1 question with looking at more expensive options down the road, but so far no regrets.  How close is the JBA or other brand collectors?


FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Adjustable strut rods » 2/21/2015 8:12 PM

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lowercasesteve wrote:

kdgt500 wrote:

I would never thought when I started this post, it go this long. Does anybody have a link to torque specs for the front suspension members. Somebody linked info for 65/66, but mine is a 67 and I didnt know if those specs are the same.

Look in the Mustang shop manual.  They are all there.  Mine is hidden out in the garage right now and is well thumbed.  The torque specs for the strut to lower arm is 55-70 and for the bushings it is 40-55.  That is for a 66, but since the suspensions are virtually identical, you will not go far wrong with those.

I read a thread on corner-carvers that made it sound like most known cases of broken struts were with the later cars where the entire strut rod tip is threaded making it easy to over torque.  On the 65-66 years only the end is threaded, so you can't compress the bushings endlessly because the nut bottoms out.

I have seen that 1 picture of the broken strut rod in a lot of threads.  It is apparent that the washers were installed wrong, but enough fud to make it worth finding the correct torque range.

Seems this one design change would cause there to be a different specified torque?  If they are the same, then great.  If not, it would probably be good to post the correct answer when you find it.

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