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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Camshaft vin decode » 10/10/2019 3:01 AM

Something to consider...

One thing that you really need to pay attention to is the sweep of the rocker tip on the end of the valve stem. If your pushrod is OEM length and one valve stem tip is lower than the others, your rocker tip sweep will be wide and not centered on the tip of the stem. You want to position the rocker tip/ valve stem tip contact area so it's furthest away from the stud at mid lift so that your sweep is centered and narrow.

The rocker describes a circle in its movement, which means that the rocker tip / valve stem tip contact patch moves back and forth as the valve is opened and closed. Improperly positioning the rocker tip can lead to side-loading the valve guides, wearing them out prematurely. With a valve stem tip sitting lower than the others, your rocker geometry is off on that valve unless you are using a shorter pushrod to correct it. The fact that your rocker stud slot is hitting where it is tells me that the geometry on that valve is way off,.

The best way to check for rocker tip sweep is to get a set of adjustable pushrods, put a set of light springs on a pair of valves and set them up properly with a centered and narrow sweep. Then measure your adjustable pushrods to see if the ones you have been using are right.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » More C-4 Leakage Issues » 9/12/2019 1:31 AM

If they dropped the valve body to replace the shift/kickdown seals, it's possible that they either forgot the anti-drainback valve that goes in with the filter, or they have it on wrong. If you are draining out of your vent and it's been apart recently, then this is what I would be looking at.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Still cant cool at Idle » 9/01/2019 7:40 PM

I wouldn't bother and would just keep an eye on the current pressure to see if it drops some more before pulling anything to examine. Keep an ear out for lifter clacking as that will be your first sign that your pressure is too low. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the sending unit as I have run across sending units doing odd things like this. One boat with dual Volvo-Penta AQ271/AQ290 I/O systems that I worked on had a defective unit like this. His oil pressure was linear and one day it started bouncing between 20 at idle and 40 on revs while the other engine gauge was acting as usual. I checked the pressure on both engines with a manual gauge and then swapped gauge connections (problem moved to other gauge) to verify if it was the gauge or sender. I changed out the sending unit and the problem was solved.

If you tear into it I would just do a rebuild (or go with a 302) and get it over with, thus my inclination to let it ride for a bit and see if it changes any more. In the meantime, plan for that new engine and do it when you're ready to get it done!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Still cant cool at Idle » 9/01/2019 4:43 AM

While 20 psi may not sound like much, it's fine as long as it rises when you rev it up. The general rule of thumb is 20 psi at idle and 10 psi for every 1,000 RPM. My 351W has almost 70K miles on it and on hot days the idle oil pressure will get as low as 20 psi but it jumps up to 40 psi when I take off and it hits 50-60 psi when I jump on it. Now 133K on your engine is still quite a bit but I would take a compression test before thinking about rebuilding it.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Still cant cool at Idle » 8/25/2019 5:55 PM

As said above, you need to look at the position of the condenser. You want that condenser real close to the radiator so the air passes from one to the other so you don't get hot air 'piling up' in between them.

Look at any OEM setup and you'll see them nearly against each other.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » mint mint mint Be still my heart ?? » 8/18/2019 4:49 AM

TKOPerformance wrote:

Hopefully you meant "it" died?  Otherwise that's a really dark ending...
 

 
Good point. Fortunately my older brother is still getting older, as are we all. His old Vega might be but not with the engine that was in it...lol! He still has a Camaro and it's not running, as usual. I keep offering to help him but he doesn't want to listen to me talk about how great our Mustang is.

And running. ;)

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » mint mint mint Be still my heart ?? » 8/16/2019 3:36 PM

My oldest brother was afflicted with the bowtie disease in his teens and bought a newer used Vega in the late 70's. One night he was out and about when smoke started coming out from under the hood, so he pulled over to check it out. The rubber plug that's the oil cap had popped off (leaking rings, crankcase pressure) again, but this time it had fallen out from under the hood and was lost. His bright idea was to stuff a rag into the hole and keep going... until the car lost oil pressure, cutting off the ignition. The rag was pulled into the cam the moment he started it, shredding it as the engine ran until it plugged up the oil pickup. He died in the middle of one of the busiest intersections in town during the evening rush...lol! That was the end of that car for him.

He was going to drop a 350 in it but was distracted by a Camaro. It's a disease with him. ;)

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Recurve distributor DURASPARK-2 » 8/09/2019 8:58 AM

I have a 10.2 to1 351W w/ Erson HFII cam installed 4 degrees advanced, and have to run a medium and a light spring or I get spark knock at around 1800-2000 RPM at sea level, air temp above 70. It's brief if I am accelerating but I can bring it in and hold it there if I'm light on the throttle and under load in third gear, which is bad news if you aren't paying attention to it. Going with one medium delayed the advance enough to eliminate it, even at an air temp of 95. That's with 91 octane non-ethanol racing gas (as it says on my receipt to make me feel better about the price...lol).


Higher compression, tight LSA = heavier springs
Higher compression, wide LSA w/ advance = lighter springs
Lower compression, just about any cam = light springs

and so on and so on. Toss in the other variables and you can see that it's not so cut and dried for advance. Most of my work is in marine systems and you have to be very careful with modified timing curves on high performance marine engines and the constant loads they are under, so I'm a bit more tuned in to it than most mechanics are (no pun intended,,,lol). Bad timing in those situations costs big $$$ and will kill your reputation in a small shop, so you test, test, test...

Then you hand them the bill, the best part of the job!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Recurve distributor DURASPARK-2 » 8/09/2019 1:54 AM

Regarding the advice on using the light springs and being good to go, there's a reason they put the different springs in a performance recurve kit. If the light springs were all that were needed then they wouldn't bother with the medium and heavy springs. A mechanical curve depends on lots of factors, air density/altitude, cam overlap & advance/retard, static/dynamic compression ratios and so on. There is no one size fits all for this (and I wish there was!).

As with any modifications that are performance related, test test test to find the best!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Radiator chose questions » 7/28/2019 12:59 AM

I would put the four blade back on and run it for a few days to make sure that you get the same results you did when you first ran it, then proceed. If by SS fan you mean the flex fan type, ditch it and run a fan/clutch combo. The flex fans flatten out too quickly and draw less air as the fan speed increases. At times the engine needs additional cooling at speed and with that fan it's not there. It's worse with a shroud as they flatten out they restrict air flow through the shroud at high speeds.

If you're not going a good electric fan, the fan/clutch combo is best.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Motivation some body say something please!!!! it may help » 7/24/2019 4:35 PM

There's a time for everything and you're telling yourself that it's not time yet. It's hard to take something apart when it's running well. I'm building a T5 for ours and I'm not going to put it in until I'm ready to do so. The C4 in it works fine and takes the abuse, so I'll just wait until I think it's the right time to start causing problems that I'll have to solve.

Until then I'll enjoy a nice running car, just without overdrive.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 66 still running to hot for my taste !! » 7/24/2019 3:58 PM

I could write something on dialing in a mechanical advance curve but unlike explaining the setting of timing ranges, the curve is a bit more complicated to dial in due to the uniqueness of an engine and the components in it.

On my 10.5-1 351W, I have my initial at 16, mechanical at 20 for 36 total and all in at 2500 RPM. My vacuum adds another 10, for 46 total at engine speeds above 2500 RPM while under light throttle conditions. One other thing I have done is install a ported vacuum switch so that when the coolant is below 115 degrees, the vacuum advance is supplied manifold vacuum to assist with smoother cold running. Once the coolant temp rises above 115, it switches back to ported vacuum operation.

You want to choose advance springs that will hold your timing at initial until it rises about 200-300 RPM above your idle speed. This is so you don't get 'flutter' when adjusting your idle and the mech. advance is varying because it's coming in at idle. That's the minimum tension you need to have on the weights. The maximum tension is set by where it's all in at, which I recommend at 2500RPM. On some performance marine engines I may bring that up to 2800 RPM and have gone as high as 3200 RPM for full mech advance, but this was for some real torque monsters that loved timing but needed it spread out a bit more while under full load for long duration. Hot rods don't have that problem, we get right up and are gone!

One good thing to do to get started everything is to plug the vacuum advance, set initial and take it for a run. No romping on it until you know that you are fully into the mechanical advance, then jump on it and check for spark knock. Try this in different gears to put varying loads and rate of RPM increase to make sure you are not getting any spark knock. Keep doing this until you get knock, then back the timing off 3 degrees and note the full in timing (initial + mech). This number is the range you have to 'play' in.

Set everything from that point. For

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Video from local cruise night, Enköping Sweden » 7/24/2019 12:20 AM

It looks like everyone was having a great time! With the variety of cars there I would have never guessed that it was in Sweden. Years back I worked in an electroplating shop and the owner did a lot of business with a couple of contacts in Sweden. Some of my work (I did the plating) is running around on some old American iron over there. Some were really old.. Cord, Auburn and the like.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 66 still running to hot for my taste !! » 7/23/2019 10:59 PM

If you're running your vacuum advance off of the ported connection on the carb and have vacuum at idle, your carburetor is out of adjustment. You should have no vacuum at that port when idling and the throttle plates are properly set. Reading vacuum there at idle means that your throttle plates are open too far, exposing the primary transfer slots and initiating ported vacuum. My numbers I posted on your timing may be wrong if there wasn't enough vacuum at the port to pull the unit into full advance. Leave that for later...

What I would do now is disconnect the vacuum advance and check your total timing at 3500 RPM. If the mech. advance is 26 degrees then you should see 38 total (with 12 initial). If so then your options are as I detailed above; shrink-wrap mech. advance post or narrow mech. advance slot, or retard your initial timing to 10 degrees (for 36 total) or 8 degrees (for 34 total). I really prefer increasing the initial and limiting the mech. advance as it allows the engine to run cooler (retarded timing makes for more heat) and makes for smoother cold starts if you have a lumpy cam.

After this your carb needs attention as setting idle speed while into your vacuum advance makes for a hard to set, unstable idle. Your throttle plates are too far open and you need to find out why.

ETA: One other point to note is that reducing the mech. advance and adding to the initial will allow you to close your throttle plates a bit as the idle will go up with the additional initial timing. That will help you in solving the throttle plates being open too far and the vacuum port/transfer ports being exposed.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 66 still running to hot for my taste !! » 7/23/2019 7:18 PM

I drew the 8 degrees from the numbers you provided but I was thinking that is if you were connecting it to manifold vacuum (you would see the total advance all in at idle) as some people do. If you're connected to the ported vacuum at the carb and getting any advance at idle then your primary throttle plates are open too far and the carb is out of whack.

Which way do you have it hooked up?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 66 still running to hot for my taste !! » 7/23/2019 5:50 PM

You timing numbers tell me that your vacuum advance puts 8 degrees into timing and the mechanical advance puts 26 degrees into it. That tells me that your mech. advance limiter is on 13. Take the 8 degrees of vacuum advance out and your base + mech. timing are at 38 degrees. Your only choice to get to 36 or 34 degrees is to back off your base timing to 10 or 8 degrees, which I find to be less than optimal. My preference would be to limit the mech, advance to 20 degrees and add 4 degrees back to the base timing.

One trick I did on my old Ford distributor to narrow the mech. advance range was to use shrink wrap on the advance limiter post (make the post larger). I have some thick tubing that's lined with adhesive that I used and it held up to the beating for about 10 years before I put new piece on. I'm now running an Accel that has a setting for 20 degrees mech. advance.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Fresh Rebuild, Edel 750 --- READY TO DRIVE THE CAR OFF A CLIFF » 7/21/2019 10:19 PM

I don't know where you heard about removing the secondary air valve but that's not a good idea. It will give you one hell of a bog when the secondaries are punched open, that's for sure. That valve controls the secondary tip-in rate (rate of flow increase as RPMs increase) and if you want to modify it you have to modify the weights on it (usually not necessary). If you are seeing drip from the venturi nozzles then one of the following apply:

- High float level(s)
- High fuel pressure (4 psi is plenty)
- Leaking needle/seat(s) or bent floats

Put the secondary air valve back in place and test again!

I don't know if it's still in print, but the Super Tuning and Modifying Carter Carburetors book is a great resource for information about using and modifying these carbs. Dave Emanuel is the author.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Radiator chose questions » 7/18/2019 3:10 AM

I missed that it was a Flex electric fan, not a pump mounted one... my bad!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Radiator chose questions » 7/17/2019 3:38 AM

In my experience the Flex-a-lite fans are a poor choice for an engine fan. The problem is that they flatten out at speed and actually restrict the air from passing through the shroud. I figured this out real quick when I had a similar problem after installing one of them. I temporarily replaced it with a stock fan (no clutch) and the problem went away. Others I have helped in the past have had similar experiences with cooling at speed with a Flex-a-lite and a good cooling system.

A fan/clutch combo is a far better choice. Still, a two row aluminum or three row OEM radiator would be a good upgrade for your car.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65 with 1" drop needs Alinment » 7/08/2019 12:33 AM

Great write up, TKO, but a nit to pick is that inward tilt at the top of the tire is negative camber. Regarding DIY and cheap, I've got that covered. I picked up a digital alignment box that has a magnetic base/sensor that's connected to it via a cord off of ebay for $20.00, so that has camber/caster covered. For toe I used two pieces of 3/4" square steel tubing just a bit larger in diameter than my front tires, drilled to slip over a wheel stud (I still have 4 lug). Using those bars in place of my wheels/tires along with four plumb bobs and two tape measures, that covers the toe settings.

First I level the car fore/aft and crosswise with liquid levels and blocks. I double-check this with the digital gauge. I then jack up the front end, remove the tires, add blocks under the outer edge of the lower control arm and lower the car down, locating the center of my hubs where they would be if the car was on the ground and on it's wheels. Now I add enough weight to the car to bring the front end down to where it would be if the car was on the ground and on it's wheels (250 lbs.).

Next I bolt the two bars on to the rotors and snug them in place with a wheel nut. Now that the body and hubs are where where I want them I pull my dust caps, stick on the base/sensor for the alignment gauge on the hub and set camber/caster for each side. I use the leverage of the toe bars to turn the wheels straight and 20 degrees out/in for camber, and a protractor laid on the floor to .align the toe bar with for those angles.

Once I have camber/caster set and double checked, I hand the plumb bobs (I have notches at the outer edges of the bars to indicate tire diameter) and lay my tapes, squaring them up. I then set the steering wheel ahead and dial in toe to 0 on both sides, then in 1/16" each. My camber/caster settings are (L/R):

Camber: -.2 / -.2
Caster: +2.8 / +3.0

Straight as an arrow, wheel snaps back to center nicely and good turn-in settings for a manual steering setup (which I have

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » car wont start RESOLVED » 7/04/2019 4:55 PM

Glad it's resolved!! This is why I have a separate ground wire running from the distributor housing to a bolt on the intake, just like from the distributor housing to a screw on the points.

Good luck with your next issue! ;)

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » car wont start RESOLVED » 7/03/2019 10:55 PM

If you are getting spark manually (screwdriver while points open) and none when cranking, you have no + voltage going to the coil when the key in in the start position, just the run position. A quick check for this is to disconnect the + wire at the coil and connect it to the + lead on a test meter, connecting the meter ground to your ground. At the solenoid, temporarily disconnect the battery cable to the starter. Turn your ignition key to run; do you have power at the + lead for the coil? Now turn the key to crank; do you still have power at the + lead for the coil? If not, you've found your problem!

Do you have a wire connected to the I terminal on your starter solenoid?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » car wont start RESOLVED » 7/02/2019 10:29 PM

Since your ignition is firing, next is to check your distributor positioning/timing. A quick way to check initial positioning (pointed at #1 TDC, either stroke) is to turn the engine to TDC on your timing pointer, pull #1 plug and check that the piston is at TDC with a screwdriver. If not, your timing marks on your harmonic balancer are wrong. They should be OK but still verify this. Now check to see if your rotor is pointing in the area of #1 or the fifth cylinder in the firing order (#6), which is 180 from the #1 rotor position. If not, your distributor is in wrong. If pointing at #1 or #6, place finger over plug hole for #1 and bump starter until compression starts to build. Move to TDC and check your rotor position to make sure it is pointing at #1 tower on the cap.

As far as setting points after installing the distributor, I turn the engine over until the rotor is pointing at #1 and then position the crank at 12 degrees BTDC. Pull the points wire from the coil and hook it up to a test meter, connecting the other end of the meter to ground; set the meter to diode check or the lowest OHM scale. Rotate the distributor counterclockwise until the points close and the meter reads grounded. Now slowly rotate the distributor body until the meter shows a break with ground. Lock the distributor in place and you are ready to go!

Good luck!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » HOME AT LAST & found the problem » 7/01/2019 11:46 PM

Bolted to Floor wrote:

I've been told this elsewhere. I will reuse all the parts I can within reason. Sheryl is already worried about upgrades!! It will be a month or two before It come out of the car.
 

 
One other way a crank can be screwed up is if it is ground with poorly dressed stones. Well dressed stones put less heat into the crank while grinding. It will be interesting to see exactly where the fracture was on your crank.

It's sad to see a nicely built engine have something like this happen, especially far from home on what is supposed to be a pleasurable trip!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » car wont start RESOLVED » 7/01/2019 11:37 PM

Pull the coil wire at the distributor and set it close to a ground where you can see a spark when it fires. Pull your points wire off the points connection, turn the ignition on, and ground the points wire. Does the coil fire? If not, verify power at the coil and if there, replace coil.

If the coil fires, turn off ignition and connect back to points (w/condenser). Turn distributor body until points are open, turn on ignition, and rotate the distributor housing to close the points. If coil does not fire, disconnect the condenser and repeat the test but instead of rotating the housing and maybe pitting the points, just use a screwdriver to bridge close/open the gap. If the coil fires, replace the condenser.

Good luck!

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