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I now have the engine at 3.5° degrees angled down. Rear diff is 3.4° angled up. No change in the vibration at 80 mph.
Very carefully measure driveshaft runout at both ends
Rear of shaft 0.028” runout
Front of shaft 0.020” runout.
The high side measured as at the same clocking on both ends, so this whole shaft is swinging a 0.020” arc
Anybody know what allowable tolerance is on a driveshaft?
I have checked ujoint placement and they are centered and tight. Tried centering them and nothing moved.
Looks like I will be taking the shaft to a driveshaft shop for rework.
Thoughts on the runout?
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What’s the drive shaft angle? Need that to figure out u-joint angles.
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Have you ever confirmed that the vibration frequency is a function of the driveshaft speed? If we can free up an hour in Montrose I'll measure the frequency so you'll know exactly what the source of the vibration is. If it is one times driveshaft RPM, its balance. If its 2X driveshaft RPM, its angles. You can't fix unbalance with angles and you can't cure angle problems with balancing.
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I'm pretty sure I read .010" runout at the ends, and .005" in the middle.
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What's the origin of the shaft?
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I bought it from Street or Track. 3-1/2” aluminum. 1350 ujoints
Today I removed the shaft and put the right amount of shims into the ujoint ends to get the runout within 0.005” on both ends. It seems a miniscule amount better but still there. Still unsuitable. I did the shims as a free experiment to see if anything changed. Still don’t know about balance issues. Monday I will take the shaft to a shop and hopefully they can get right on it to check it out.
I am ready to sell the car. Spending way too much time working on it with no improvement.
Gary, I welcome your offer to measure the vibration frequency and take advantage of your expertise.
But, my intent was to get this fixed before heading to Colorado!
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Have you tried the old hose clamp trick?
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MS wrote:
I bought it from Street or Track. 3-1/2” aluminum. 1350 ujoints
Today I removed the shaft and put the right amount of shims into the ujoint ends to get the runout within 0.005” on both ends. It seems a miniscule amount better but still there. Still unsuitable. I did the shims as a free experiment to see if anything changed. Still don’t know about balance issues. Monday I will take the shaft to a shop and hopefully they can get right on it to check it out.
I am ready to sell the car. Spending way too much time working on it with no improvement.
Gary, I welcome your offer to measure the vibration frequency and take advantage of your expertise.
But, my intent was to get this fixed before heading to Colorado!
You are wanting to sell your 66 fastback????? It looms so VERY LARGE in your legend!!! Knowing how tenacious you are with finding solutions to all things Mustang - I can't believe you would part with it. Say it isn't so......
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Out of curiosity, how do you know the vibration is coming from the driveshaft?
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I really don’t know. Today I tried various tapered shims to change the rear pinion angle.
I had it at pinion down at 1°. No change
2.4° up. No change
3.5° up. No change
2.5° down. No change
When pinion points upward, driveshaft slopes up at rear about 1/2°
When pinion points downward, driveshaft drops towards rear about 1/2°
Engine/tranny point downward 3.5° at rear.
This tells me the pinion angle is not what is causing the issue.
Monday morning the shaft is being taken to a driveshaft shop in San Antonio to check the balance and straightness. I hope they can figure something out.
Maybe I should just mount an electric motor to the differential.
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I bought it from Street or Track. 3-1/2” aluminum. 1350 ujoints
I sourced the aluminum driveshaft in my 68 from a 1998 2wd Explorer, had it shortened by Drivelines Northwest, and used a conversion u joint to hook it up to my 9" rear end. Maybe a new driveline is in order? Just a thought. I hope you can get some relief from your vibration issues.
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Is the vibration speed related or RPM related? In other words is the vibration the same in 4th gear at 80MPH and 5th gear at 80MPH?
Does it get better or worse above 80MPH?
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I had vibration issues with my 9” rear that I had assembled myself. It was my first time performing this task and figured I did something wrong. I had it rebuilt by a ‘seasoned’ person, who said the pinion bearings were bad (they were new when installed) and that I hadn’t done anything wrong. (not sure he wasn’t just being nice or not)
While I still have some vibration, it has been significantly reduced since this rebuild.
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Maybe the preload wasn't set right. Did you use a crush sleeve or a solid spacer?
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TKOPerformance wrote:
Maybe the preload wasn't set right. Did you use a crush sleeve or a solid spacer?
It has a solid spacer.
I took the shaft to a driveshaft shop to see what it needs. It will, at the least, get balanced, because there is no evidence it was balanced when i bought it new. Maybe they got lucky and it just came out perfect, but I doubt it.
Will know in a couple of days. In the meantime, I am going to replace the 160 thermostat with a 192, fail safe.
The shop said if the shaft didn't cure it, they could analyze the vibration if I bring in the entire car and diagnose the issue. Probably should have done that 30 years ago, but most working parts have been replaced multiple times since then.
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Did you ever try a yoke with a harmonic balancer?
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MS, does that fail safe thermostat lock in the “open position” on it’s first over temp?
Reason I ask, I removed what I believe is a fail safe thermostat from one of the 5.0L blocks and the only way for it to close and resume normal cycle was to manually reset it out of the car.
It locked the thermostat wide open.
The way I got it to close was to heat it up and before the wax cooled depress the tabs so it could close to normal closed position.
If manufacturers are doing this on purpose, you might be chasing an overheating issue caused by this type of thermostat.
Found a video explaining it:
“Once the Fail-Safe® thermostat does its job of allowing coolant to continue to flow to the engine during an overheating by locking in the open position, you must replace it with a new one. There are standard thermostats, then there is the Motorad Fail-Safe® Thermostat. Ask for MotoRad®’s Fail-Safe® Thermostat the next time you need a new thermostat.”
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The driveshaft shop just called and said the shaft was 0.025” off centerline. They reworked it and he said it balanced out perfectly.
I will find out tomorrow morning when I reinstall it.
I always told Bullet Bob that if I ever got that vibration out of my car, I would likely keep driving until I pulled up at his house in Montrose. Hoping this works, but not holding my breath.
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We'll keep our fingers crossed. Either way, I'd be having a chat with Shaun at SoT, cuz those numbers are BS.
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MS wrote:
The driveshaft shop just called and said the shaft was 0.025” off centerline. They reworked it and he said it balanced out perfectly.
I will find out tomorrow morning when I reinstall it.
I always told Bullet Bob that if I ever got that vibration out of my car, I would likely keep driving until I pulled up at his house in Montrose. Hoping this works, but not holding my breath.
Does this mean the tube was off center at both ends compared to the yokes?
Just trying to understand correctly.
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$228 later, my $500 drive shaft is straight and balanced. Now the vibration is 20% of what it was at 80 mph. Annoying, but not catastrophic like it was.
I am replacing the thermostat because the car has a 160° in it and runs too cool. If it fails, it sticks open, then you put in a new one.
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So, no longer for sale, right?
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MS wrote:
$228 later, my $500 drive shaft is straight and balanced. Now the vibration is 20% of what it was at 80 mph. Annoying, but not catastrophic like it was.
I am replacing the thermostat because the car has a 160° in it and runs too cool. If it fails, it sticks open, then you put in a new one.
Glad to hear the vibration problem has largely been resolved.
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MS wrote:
I bought it from Street or Track. 3-1/2” aluminum. 1350 ujoints
Street or Track might be interested in your experience and might, if asked politely, reimburse you the cost you incurred for the San Antonio shop to fix it (shouldn't matter that you bought it ages ago if you still have your receipt). Never hurts to ask and you'll never know if you don't ask. :-)
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I have tried all the suggested angles on engine and rear end. Next I will try what my logic says will fix this. It follows comments from Steve Buzek about what a NASCAR guy told him.
Engine needs to be closer to zero.
While stock was 3°, they were not lowered like my car is.
By setting the engine at 1° or even at zero, it will raise the front of the driveshaft. By setting the rear end down in front, it will lower the rear of the driveshaft.
My driveshaft sopes upward at the rear 1/2°. This makes front and rear working angles different.
Rough calculations show that, with engine at zero, the shaft will slope downward at 2° to the rear end at zero.
This should provide more favorable working angles of 2° on both ends.
Now, I just need more Round Tuits…
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