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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 65/66 V8 manual steering center link measurements » 10/17/2016 6:03 PM |
I have 25 1/2" from pitman arm center to idler arm center
3 3/8" LH inner tie rod to pitman
3 1/2" RH inner to idler arm
18 5/8" inner tie rod to inner tie rod
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Quick Steer pitman and idler arm lengths? » 9/29/2016 5:48 PM |
boomyal wrote:
Opentracker wrote:
......The ratio changes and the cars drive weird.
Could you elaborate on that?
If you use a manual steer box with the stock power steering, the cars don't drive right. The control valve is set to the ratio for the P/S box. Any deviation from that can and does cause steering issues with the cars I've worked with.
If found some info -- - along with MustangSteve, this is a site for steering information
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Quick Steer pitman and idler arm lengths? » 9/28/2016 8:19 PM |
I wouldn't use a quick steer set up with the stock power steering. The ratio changes and the cars drive weird.
The ram is not a bad piece. The rubber shock bushings on the end of the ram are the week link. That pivot point should be poly, or a bearing. The rubber gives too much for performance driving.
If you want power steering and a quicker ratio, upgrade to the Borgeson system. It's a 14:1 box.
boomyal wrote:
Opentracker wrote:
The quick steer idler and pitman are 1" longer than stock.
FYI - there is too much thread showing on your outer tie rod end.Thanks for the answer to my question. I am still wanting to use the QS pieces on my '65 with factory assist power steering. I need to determine how to overcome the reported stressing of the connection point of the ram to the center link.
Today I was driving my '97 E-150 and making a series of 90° turns on a country road. I could make those turns with slightly more that a 90° turn of the steering wheel. In my '65 Mustang, I'd bet it is double that.
The car in the picture is not mine. It was a '68 w/ factory PS. I speculated that they probably did not have Quick steer Pittman and Idler arms for that year. Subsequently, I was correct. They were only made for the 1" steering gear shaft and the '68 had a 1 1/8" shaft. The only option was to use those spindle arm adaptors.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Quick Steer pitman and idler arm lengths? » 9/27/2016 11:23 AM |
The quick steer idler and pitman are 1" longer than stock.
FYI - there is too much thread showing on your outer tie rod end.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Anyone have the pattern for the shock tower reinforcement plate? » 9/11/2015 6:46 PM |
We have a shock tower kit and the wheel side brace. Pro Motorsports has had one for years. I don't believe they sell the wheel side brace separate.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Has anyone installed a 351Cleveland in a 65-66 FB » 7/29/2015 11:54 AM |
It's from a 70 Mustang with a Cleveland. I have a C in our 65 coup.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Suspension Travel - leaf springs » 5/31/2015 5:46 PM |
I missed the part about it being a 63. Sounds like you have a good idea of how to get the ride height you want. I spend a lot of time setting ride height. I'll rebuild leaf springs to get the ride height and spring rate I want. It takes a lot of time but you get what you put into it. I have a 64 Sprint and my wife drives a 61 Ranchero. The Falcons are great cars, fun to drive and easy to work on. Good luck !
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Suspension Travel - leaf springs » 5/31/2015 11:16 AM |
The Falcon and Mustang leaf springs are the same length and width but the free arch is different. The free arch on a Falcon leaf spring is more than a Mustang. The Falcon leafs had around 8" of free arch. The arch is different for the different body styles and engine combo's. The Mustang free arch is about 6.5". A 1" drop spring for a Mustang might lower your Falcon 2" or more.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Suspension Components » 1/04/2015 10:57 AM |
The added caster helps with stability on the highway as well. The factory settings had up to 1deg of positive caster. With that small amount of caster, the cars will wonder around on the highway, making for an uncomfortable ride. We put in 2.5 to 3 deg of positive caster. It's not a big change but it makes the cars drive bettter.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Suspension Components » 1/03/2015 12:33 PM |
We have never had a return on a roller spring perch in the 11 years we've been selling them. I know one set that has over 90,000 miles on them.
The bearings can be replaced in just a few minutes if there was an issue.
With the roller idler arm, we have found the return to center is brought on by the caster angle more than the rubber bushing in the idler arm. The cars didn't have enough caster from the factory and it's preffered to have more caster with a performance driven car. When the cars have more caster than the factory settings allowed, the steering wheel returns to center quite well.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Positive caster » 10/30/2014 10:41 AM |
You might check the upper arms to see if the shafts are centered or offset. Most of the arms we get in here are offset to one side. If they are bolted in the car that way, one ball joint will be forward and the other will be rearward of where it should be.
You can add caster with the upper arm by offsetting the shaft one full spin from center on both arms and add a shim under the front bolt on both arms. With that done, getting 3deg. of caster will be easier.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Roller perches » 9/28/2014 12:51 PM |
The original Ford perches have a 7/8" OD shaft.
Your idea for turning down the shaft and using the ID clips to hold the bearings/shafts in place should work fine. With your design, you need to make sure you have enough room to get the shock nuts in place.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Roller perches » 9/27/2014 2:28 PM |
7/8" is the OD of the shafts we use.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » ford ranchero suspension parts » 9/22/2014 10:48 AM |
The upper and lower control arms are the same. The center / drag links are different as are the tie rod ends, idler arm and spindles. You can use an idler arm from a 65 Mustang if you use the Mustang frame bracket. The springs on the Falcon are shorter than the Mustang. The Faclon stocks are shorter and have a stud at the top instead of a T bar. The strut rods and strut rod bushings are the same. The spring perches are the same.
I have a lot of info about what can be adapted onto a Falcon if you want to send me an email or give us a call.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Idler arm. » 9/20/2014 3:40 PM |
All of the new Moog K8106 idler arms have a lubed bushing. It looks like rubber but it's not. It has a waffle design on the inside to hold the lube and let the idler move freely.
Have the car aligned with at least 2 degrees of positive caster and it should return to center.
FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Squeaky upper control arm » 9/04/2014 10:59 AM |
If you push up on the bushing with a pry bar while the gease is being pumped in, the squeak should stop. That trick works for me.
By pushing up on the bushing, your opening up a space above the threads of the shaft so the grease will flow over the shaft instead of under it.
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