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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 6/05/2014 2:34 PM

Terry M
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Ok on the measuring we'll have to say there is a couple ways to do it and both are correct.What i curently have with the 57 ford axle(well actaully drivers side right now and the other to be changed)  in my 57 ford housing is axle to axle flange width of 61.75 then the thickness of the flange would have to be added as well. prolly 3/16" x2 for a total of  62.125 " if i did my math right you may be right it could be easier to measure axle flange to axle flange .I will do it the next time am down to the rotor is the rear...lol...

I knew that the the axle housing on a 70 mach one was 59.25 and i was loosing 2" with my 57 housing so i went with 1" wheel adapters to gain that back and get be back stock stance.I figured although some do not like adapters it was still my easiest cost effective out.
Once i get to run the car some and experiment I might see what it looks like  wheels/ tires  fit like without the adapters or maybe scale back to 1/2" spacers but we'll see and for now the goal is to get the vibe out and switch the pass side axle out with a mate to the d-side which is from a 57-59 ford.
Currently i have the pass side axle sticking out of the axle falnge about 1/8 farther than the d-side due to the difference in bearing offset between the two mis matched axles.I should have the other axle in next week once i get axle painted and bearing changed out but figured one drive to town won't hurt anything.Car show this sunday.

r5cya
the measurments in this chart are from housing flange to housing flange .I never though you were being rude at all.We just have a couple different ways of doing it.I just wanted to get back to stock measurments so i could use stock 500's with correct backspacing for a period correct look.
http://www.carnut.com/specs/rear.html

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 6/05/2014 11:05 AM

Terry M
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R5CYA
Where the drum rotor would sit to where the other drum rotor would sit is not you axle housing width.The axle housing width is from flange to flange .I figured out the correct way to measure this on ultrastangs website and he has done alot of research.
Here are pics of the N case.It would not surprise me if it was messed up as it came with the car and many other items were messed up.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 6/05/2014 9:41 AM

Terry M
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I came back as an fyi and to share some more info from my findings.I am pretty confident my housing is from a 57 ford and because it measures 57-1/4" form rear of axle flange to rear of axle flange and it has the band in the center and ultrastang feels they are out oof said car as well.I had a axle here from a 57-59 ford and I measured everything up and it slid in and the bearing bottomed out in the housing perfectly So i am confident in what my housing is.My 3rd member is traction lock with 28 spline and 325 gears and i have another Nodular 3rd member here with 486 gears in it .
This is the setup in my brandywine 70 mach 1.Thanks

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Axle id help needed » 6/04/2014 6:58 PM

Terry M
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I think the axle i had in my car is possibly a 31 spline axle that was longer than needed and  from a newer car than mine that has been cut/turned down and then re-splined.I say this because of the machining marks on the end of the axle and the axle is not tapered like other 28 spline i have seen and the larger register for the brakes that steve has mentioned.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 6/04/2014 6:56 PM

Terry M
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I think the axle i had in my car is possibly a 31 spline from a newer car than mine that has been cut/turned down and then re-splined.I say this because of the machining marks on the end of the axle and the axle is not tapered like other 28 spline i have seen and the larger register for the brakes that steve has mentioned.

Show Your Mustang Pictures and History » 70 mach 1 bought in august 2012 » 6/04/2014 6:50 PM

Terry M
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Thanks guys i will post another pic sometime when i get one outside with a nice setting.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Axle id help needed » 5/26/2014 4:53 PM

Terry M
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Why is the centering ring needed since the shoulder on the wheel studs seem to hold the rotor from moving side to side and once the rotor and then wheel adapter are installed i can not see how anything could move.I know that the lady who seemed very knowleagable about the spacers and hubcentric and lug centric isues said the spacer did not rely on the center register for strength or support.Not trying to contradict, just trying to lear and sort things out.

Would you have any idea where to even start to look for an axle or specs for the 74 model ford and up ?THANK you Very Much

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Axle id help needed » 5/26/2014 4:46 PM

Terry M
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ok, thanks very much here is a pic of the housing and the twisted axle spline and i think the axle is also bent between the axle falnge and the axle bearing.It had quite a wobble to it.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Axle id help needed » 5/26/2014 3:25 PM

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I have another thread going and hope nobody minds but i wanted to try to get help identifying this axle.
I will state what I thnk I have for house etc.
From what I read and see it is 57 ford big car 9" housing which is 57-1/4" measured from inside of the housing flange to inside of opposite flange .It takes the small bearing which are these dimensions. IDODWidthSmall Brg1.378"2.835"0.8449"It also has the 3/8' holes in the flangette and the end of the housing to hold the axle in place.
It has the 2" band down the back of the housing, no dimples and the drain is in the bottom.I never measured the spring purchases lately to see how far they are apart.
Someone else installed this diff and axle and I cannot reach them.
My issue is i have seen several 57 ford axles yesterday and have one of the axles here to know my axle is not the same and i would like to get a mate to the black one in the pics.The black one has a larger higher center prodrusion in the center.The flange that holds the studs is larger dia.Mine has more holes in the flange for some reason and the bearing offset from the front of the flange that the wheel sets on to the outer side of the bearing is about 1/4" closer to the pline end of the axle than the rusty one from the 57 ford big car.I am really puzzled.

Show Your Mustang Pictures and History » 70 mach 1 bought in august 2012 » 5/25/2014 12:27 PM

Terry M
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This is an old thread but here is my car now .Fist car show and although not completely dome (are they ever)I did pretty well. About 100-105 cars all makes and models and i got top ford and peoples choice.Thanks for looking
Terry

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 5/25/2014 11:22 AM

Terry M
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jkordzi,
I believe the axle was twisted and bent when i bought the car 2 years ago and am now figuring it out since i have been restoring the car and deperately try to get som milles on it but the gremlins are winning.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 5/25/2014 11:19 AM

Terry M
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I think i have two issues one for sure is the spline is twisted.and two I have runout on the outer side of the bearing causing The wheel flange,the rotor and the wheel and tire assembly to waooble alot.I switces wheel and tire assemblies to verify it is not the wheel.I did my testing while on jacktands in 4th front wheels chocked and nothing in front of the car and ran it up to 60-70 mph and the vibration wobble got worse.Not sure if this is mu sole vibration issue but it needs to be fixed and i hope it is my vibration.
I will try and load some pics now.The od of my bearing is 2.837" and the od of the axle where the bearing goes is 1.365" .
The holes in the housing flange are 3/8" diameter which also signifies it is not the large bearing housing.
Where do i measure to determine the brake offset that i have read about.It setermines where in my case the brake rotor sits in relation to my brake calipers.I say someone modded these brakes before the brackets and such were available form some of the vendors.I have read all the stuff from ultrastang and it is a great help.I think I have a 57 housing with medium size bearings if that makes sense.What vehicles had this setup.I spent hrs on line try to figure this out...Bob You have pm with my e-mail in it.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 57-59 ford "big car" axle needed » 5/25/2014 5:23 AM

Terry M
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I need a drivers side axle for my non stock rear end It is 5 on 4.5 and 28 spline.
Can i buy something esle to fit it and what measurments will i need to know as far as brake offset and length.I belive my brake setup is of a lincoln MK7 but all my notes are at work today.
Yeay its a messed up setup but i am just trying to make it work.
Thanks
Terry

 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 wheel and tire help. » 4/27/2013 7:17 PM

Terry M
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I have thought about the spacer route and would rather not or go as thin as possible.Here is what i figure...If a standard magnum 500 has say a 4.5" backspacing and They fit properly with say a 245/60/15 then i would try and find a magnum 500 with a 3.5" backspacing which would accomplish the same thing and make up the axle being 1" shorter on each side.
Would anyone know what i should be looking for or asking for in terms of offset ?
Does that make sense.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 wheel and tire help. » 4/25/2013 7:52 PM

Terry M
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It's been determined i have the rear end from a 57 for big car which is 2" narrower than a standard 70 rear end.i was wondering if someone could help with what i would need for an offset in the wheelsl and what sirze tire would filt the wheel well and front fendors properly.
I am liking magnum 500's and BFG's and not too wide , something a tad agressive but as good as aride as i could expect.
Thinking something like 245/60/15's rear and 235/6015's front or all the way around.Any help would be appreciated.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 with non original diff. » 4/15/2013 4:58 PM

Terry M
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This is some info i got from another steve.Thanks for the pics.He was fery helpfull and gave me some pn's should i need them.

The 9-inch 3rd member is from a later model vehicle than the housing itself but the 9-inch small bearing rear end housing is from a 1957 Ford big car.
The rear discs in your photos are Mk VII rear discs, but those are not my brackets. The ones in the photos look like some that someone made (homemade). The rear disc assemblies could have come from an '84-'90 Mk VII, '84-'86 Mustang SVO or an '84-'87 Lincoln Continental.

Now i need to know what will fit this setup for wheels and tires.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 with non original diff. » 4/13/2013 5:11 PM

Terry M
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42-1/2or 42-5/8" from center of spring purchases or spring alignment bolt it is hard to get it exactly due to the hump where the gears are, being higher than the axle housing but that is pretty darn close and it was in the car and i measured the center to center distance of the rear rails and it's the same as the above measurement.Here is an overall pic steve.
What is the distance from wheel mating surface to wheel mating surface on the rear that would have came in the car and just as important what would have been the distance from the wheel mounting surface in to the center of the spring purchase.
My hope is once i figure out what i have for room i can look at what i should be looking for in the way of tires and wheels.
Thanks

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 with non original diff. » 4/13/2013 1:27 PM

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Here are the pics i took and it is 58" from one wheel mounting surface to the other.I would call this my width.I know it's 325 gears and a posi trac.I would like to know what it is out of and what i could use for wheel and tires without clearnce issues on my 70 mach 1.
I just finiched fixing damage to the wheel wells the previous boneheads did to make the big tires and wheels fit.Thanks Terry

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » 70 mach 1 with non original diff. » 4/10/2013 5:24 PM

Terry M
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I need some help to Id my diff and tire and wheel suggestions but cannot upload pics yet.Maybe this will help me as it will be my second post.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Well what do you guys think of the new forum??? » 4/08/2013 7:15 PM

Terry M
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I like it.I tried to post pics of my car but cannot until i gte my post count up if i understand it correctly

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