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Swap Meet » FREE to good home - '68 original 8" rear end » 8/16/2023 4:16 PM

This is the original rear from my '68 (2.79 open gears). It's a complete working assembly - yoke to brake drums.

Portland Oregon area. Sorry, no delivery or shipping!

I'll be posting this on CL in a week or so if nobody chimes in.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What did I do wrong? (3 qts gear oil on the floor) » 8/15/2023 10:21 AM

BB - That's why I wanted to get both axles in with wheels on the ground before torquing the nut.

Cab4word67 - Nope, didn't miss

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What did I do wrong? (3 qts gear oil on the floor) » 8/15/2023 8:08 AM

Bob - The carrier was a complete assembly from Yukon with solid spacers, so no adjustment needed other than torqueing the pinion nut to spec when I put the yoke on. I didn't do that before I added the lube because I have two yokes of different lengths and wanted to see which one worked best with my driveline position before final torque. I previously did a 289/3-spd -> 5.0/T5 conversion, so there was some debate over fitment in my mind.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What did I do wrong? (3 qts gear oil on the floor) » 8/12/2023 4:42 PM

@Bentworker - Thanks, that's what I was hoping. Best case scenario for me. This is why I consider myself a life-long learner - another lesson learned.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What did I do wrong? (3 qts gear oil on the floor) » 8/12/2023 3:16 PM

My rear end saga continues to unfold...

I got the correct axles from Strange and test fit everything on the bench - perfect fit. I mounted the carrier into the housing (Lubelocker gasket) and torqued all the nuts, then mounted the assembly in the car, and installed the driver's side axle and brake bracket, torquing everything - again, perfect fit.

Today, I was ready to fill it with gear oil (or so I thought) and install the other axle and brake bracket, so I jacked up the passenger side axle tube, stuffed a long hose down the tube and started pouring.

About half-way through the third quart, I noticed a massive pool of gear oil forming on the floor and saw that it was coming from the pinion shaft area on the carrier. Several coarse words and a roll of paper towels later, I have it cleaned up and am wondering what I screwed up.

I haven't installed the yoke yet, so I thought maybe that was the reason it was leaking? The only other explanation that occurs to me is that lifting the carrier by the pinion shaft/nut to place it in the housing may have compromised the pinion seal? This is a brand new complete carrier from Yukon.

Any thoughts?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » How long have you been an FYI er?? » 6/19/2023 2:34 PM

LoveToFlyGuy
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It must have been around 2004 - 2005 for me. Maybe earlier, maybe later - I don't really remember.

I found this board when I was thinking about selling my '68 because it lacked all of the modern conveniences - power disc brakes, power steering, power windows, etc. A friend of mine at the time told me that all those things could be retrofitted if I wanted to spend the time to do it, so I started surfing the web and landed here. I haven't posted much, just absorbed the accumulated knowledge. I appreciate the true community feel of this board - I'm not aware of many other discussion boards that regularly meet in person. One day, I hope to join you all.

Thanks MS!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/30/2023 8:40 AM

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MS wrote:

I think it would be a good idea for you to visit Moser or Strange web site to see where pertinent rear end measurements are taken. I can see how a supplier would be confused if those diagrams were presented.

Looks like your small bearing 9” would come close to being able to use stock 8” axles from a 65-66 tear end.
You need to know what brake gap your crown vic brakes require.

I'm definitely doing that! I know my diagram is a little confusing, and some of the shorter measurements don't add up exactly, but I'm confident of the longer measures, and think I have most of the numbers that I need to give them.

There are a couple of CV's in my local boneyard, so I think I'll get over there and take some measurements around the brakes and axle hub, and maybe even bring an axle home to play with if I can get one out without too much trouble.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/30/2023 8:02 AM

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TKOPerformance wrote:

The greatest mistake was pressing the bearings on before verifying that the axles were right.  Over the years I've ended up with so much stuff that was wrong that I now take nothing for granted.  On axles I would check that the splines fit into the diff, that the bolt pattern was right, that the drum or disc fit the hub, etc., etc. before doing anything with them.

I don't think Yukon is saying the parts old on Amazon are not theirs.  I think they are saying that they are no responsible for how a third party listed their parts on Amazon, and frankly they're right.  However, if the info on their website and the Amazon site are exactly the same you may have a case, as it would appear the Amazon site just copied theirs. 

A final option would be to talk to your credit card company, assuming that's how you paid.  The only downside there is you don't want your method of payment blacklisted in the event they refund your money.
 

I agree completely. I take full responsibility for assuming this would be a simple "buy a set of axles for a X car" when I knew I was making a significant mod with an unknown housing. I think I'll just chalk this up to an expensive learning experience and move on. I'll put the Yukon axles up for sale on CL or fleabay until they sell and hopefully recover most of my money.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/29/2023 9:18 PM

LoveToFlyGuy
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Raymond_B wrote:

Here's the deal, this isn't just about the bolt pattern. Truck's that have a 5x5.5" bolt pattern also have a pretty big brake register and a larger brake offset. You can re-drill all day long, but if those other measurements are wrong the axles won't work. I recently ordered a set of Moser axles for my truck and had to take all those measurements so all that is fresh in my mind. Here's the Moser order form, what I would verify is A and B for sure. https://www.moserengineering.com/sites/www.moserengineering.com/files/New-Orderform-w4-link_1.pdf

Thanks for the link.

The biggest problem I have is that I don't have the axles that came out of my 9" housing, and to complicate things further, the housing has been shortened by 2" and I'm installing disc brakes from a Crown Vic.
I pulled the original 8" rear end and measured everything up as well as I could - here's a diagram of my measurements (full size image here):

 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/26/2023 3:47 PM

LoveToFlyGuy
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Raymond_B wrote:

That's messed up, it's their product regardless, luckily Amazon has pretty good returns, I'd be filing a claim to try to get something back. It's not like you sent them incorrect info, THEY messed the order up.

I will also be sure to avoid Yukon in the future since they do not seem interested in taking care of you.
 

It took my local shop 2 weeks to get the bearings pressed on because they were slammed, and I didn't think this was a big hurry, but that delay put me 2 days over Amazon's 30 day return policy. Pi$$ed me off enough that I bought my own 12T press, even though I don't really have room for it - never again will I have to wait for press work.

Yukon seemed willing to help me, but they were a little snotty with me for buying from Amazon. I'll get my exact measurements to them, and we will see if they have anything that will work for me.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/26/2023 11:12 AM

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I talked to Yukon and apparently their "Amazon store" has absolutely no affiliation with them, and since I had the bearings pressed on, they won't take the axles back. I'm going to get everything assembled on my bench as far as I can, take measurements and get back to them, and hope they can find something that will work for me, otherwise... I'm not sure what.

I think at this point, I'm going to go ahead and pull my original factory rear and put it on the bench right beside the new housing just to be sure there aren't any other fitment problems. The new 9" axle housing is from a '50s - '60s Ford something or other - it's the smooth round rear that all the hotrodders seem to like. If everything measures up good, I'll go ahead and install the 9" housing and diff this weekend. That will at least let me take measurements for the driveline, and will feel like I'm making progress, instead of what's becoming a big pain in the rear end (pun intended).

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/26/2023 8:33 AM

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Bentworker wrote:

So did the pilot end up being the correct diameter on the axles?

The axle pilot is somewhat larger than the rotors, so the rotors won't sit flush. I didn't measure the difference, but it isn't much.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/26/2023 8:26 AM

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Ron68 wrote:

LoveToFlyGuy wrote:

Thanks, I'll give them a call if I don't hear anything from the message I sent. Their Everett shop is about a four hour drive from where I live, so I could maybe make it a road trip and bring the family along to score a point with the wife.

What shop in Everett? Randy's Ring and Pinion? I'm about two miles from there.
 

That's the one. If I had my private pilot license I'd just fly up there as they're right next to Paine Field, I believe.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/25/2023 4:01 PM

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Thanks, I'll give them a call if I don't hear anything from the message I sent. Their Everett shop is about a four hour drive from where I live, so I could maybe make it a road trip and bring the family along to score a point with the wife.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/25/2023 2:07 PM

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Well, I called all of my local machine shops and none of them wanted the job (too many problems with that sort of thing), so I guess I'm buying another set of axles. I messaged Yukon support about the problem last night, but haven't heard back from them yet. Incidentally, I bought these from Yukon's Amazon shop which made no mention of bolt patterns other than in the "Q&A" section at the bottom of the item description, where someone asked about that and was told that they are drilled for multiple patterns - must have been for a different product, I hate that about Amazon.

Anybody need a brand new set of axles? 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/25/2023 12:01 PM

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Thanks MS, that's what I thought. I'll bring the lugs and one of my rotors with me as well. As it is, they do fit inside the rotors, but it's tight and I'm not sure they are completely flat against inner face.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Re-drilling new axle hubs - DIY or machine shop? » 5/25/2023 8:35 AM

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So I finally got my new Yukon 9" axles back after having a local shop press the bearings on, and when I mocked them up with my Crown Vic rear brakes for the first time, I realized that the bolt pattern is wrong... 5x5.5 instead of 5x4.5.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I think the hubs can be re-drilled with the correct pattern, but I'm not sure if that's a DIY job, or if I should have a machinist do it. I have a benchtop drill press and I'm sure I can get the right drill bit, but I'm not a machinist and I don't want to screw up a brand new set of axles.

Thoughts?

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Fox body armrests in early Mustangs » 5/24/2023 11:50 AM

MS wrote:

Cara’s 65 coupe also had the foxbody armrests and power switches in it, posted on the MustangSteve website (after Glen did it to his)
Unfortunate the interesting articles have all been deleted from the site.

That's the problem I'm running into after putting this project aside for 15 years, a lot of the "old" sites (including the "old" forum) have disappeared into the mists of history, and I'm having trouble remembering all of the mods I had planned to do back then. Fortunately, I did save some specific webpages, but I wasn't very intentional about it. The Internet archive is great for some of these sites, but it's not perfect and doesn't get everything. Ultrastang.com comes to mind.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Fox body armrests in early Mustangs » 5/16/2023 1:12 PM

Glens 1965 50 wrote:

That might have been mine at rosehillperformanceparts.com under the tech section.  Don't know if you have sourced parts, but I changing my setup and have those arm rest up for garage points.  LMK.

Thanks Glen, that was definitely your mod that I saw back then. I don't know how I missed that - I've had your site bookmarked since way back then.

When I first saw your article, I wasn't prioritizing interior parts because the Fox Mustangs were plentiful back then, and my build was a long way from worrying about anything on the interior. I got lucky a few weeks ago and found a set from a '93 convertible and grabbed them. They're not the right color, but I'm pretty sure I can paint/dye the hard parts and just buy new upper pads in the right color.

I thought about grabbing the mirrors as well, but they looked too chunky for my taste. Instead, I'm going to use a set of power mirrors from an early '80's RX-7 and wire them into the Fox mirror switch, based on a mod I found on another forum here

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Fox body armrests in early Mustangs » 5/16/2023 8:59 AM

Years ago (early 2000's I think) I found a website where someone had retrofitted the door armrests from a Fox Mustang into their early model and it looked pretty good to me, so I thought I'd do the same thing to my '68 - especially since I'm going to install power windows & locks. I've been scouring the 'net looking for any hint of that site, or pictures of the car, or anything really, but have come up blank. It shouldn't be too hard to figure it out, but I thought I'd like to at least give credit for the idea to whoever it was that originally posted that mod, so if anyone can tell me who that was, or even better what the old website was, that would be great.

Fox Mustangs are getting hard to find anymore, but I got lucky and found a '93 convertible in one of my local boneyards and grabbed the armrests, along with the power window (4 windows) and power door lock switches, and will be installing them on my car - don't worry, I'll do a full write-up with pictures when I get to that stage.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Went to a classic car show today » 5/04/2023 8:53 PM

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Rudi wrote:

Airplanes were my first obsession...

Mine too. I started down the road toward becoming a career pilot, but life happened and I ended up putting my training aside just short of earning my Private Pilot license back in 2005. I went back at it a couple of summers back, but found it too hard to schedule the trifecta - instructor, aircraft, and my own free time, all at the same time, but I'll get there eventually! I have my Student license, so I guess I technically qualify as a "certificated airman". Maybe.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Went to a classic car show today » 5/04/2023 10:55 AM

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TKOPerformance wrote:

ISorry, I'm a bit of a WWII aircraft geek. 
 

I am too. I actually have an airspeed indicator from a WW2 vintage military plane installed on the passenger side of my '68, hooked up to a real pitot tube. I pulled a little vacuum from the engine to simulate high altitude (more sensitive ram air pressure), so when I cruise down the highway, it reads something like 500 MPH. I've been working on a mockup passenger-side vintage aviation gauge set as an homage to those old birds. It's pretty ugly right now, but it works.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Went to a classic car show today » 5/03/2023 3:54 PM

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What I would really like to see in a classic Mustang is a Merlin v12, like The Beast over in the UK; 1972 custom built around a Spitfire engine.
 

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Back to work on my '68 - new third member question » 4/21/2023 9:16 AM

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BobE wrote:

I have Moser 28-sline axles.
If you're going to open up the T5, the Tremec website has has a service manual available to download.
I also found Paul Cangialosi to be a T5 helpful source; https://www.5speeds.com/word.html
 

Yeah, I think I'm going to do that since I have no idea what condition the internals are in. I rebuilt the 46RE in my old Durango a few years back, so this shouldn't to too bad. I figured that as long as I'm replacing everything else in the drive train, I might as well do it properly and give the T5 an overhaul as well. I watched a YouTube video with Paul & Eric the car guy rebuilding a T5, so I'm convinced that I should do it, and confident that I can do the job.

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