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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » the neverending story of electric choke connection . » 5/20/2020 6:53 PM

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Alessandro wrote:

This is still something that create debate and confusing who has new style alternator  (1 wire )  .
i stll have some doubt  because , from Edelbrock tech center , reply my question that many don't agree . 
So i am little confused . 
Alternator write .:  this connection is provided for el . chocke . 
edelbrock write :  do not use alternator to pick up el. chocke 
edelbrock write : 12 volt key switched  , must be hot all the times , also when running 
Folks says :   12 volt switched but must be hot only on cranck .  After engine is running must shut off .
folks says :  from S teminal of solenoid 
Edelbrock write  : do not pick up from S terminal of  solenoids bcause volts are variable . 
folks says .  :  hook up from S side of alternator . 
edelbrock write  do not pick up from S side of alternator because if are 10 v or 9 volts chocke will not work properly
 
Now i have it connected with 12 v switched , but hot all the times . Seems working as supposed to be , after warm up at first touch of pedal ,  chocke is disengaged . 
Can you sign a light in this dark matter ...?  i think the question is : This chocke needs 12 volts all the time , also after cranck  , or  shut off after engine is running ? 

Thank you ! 

 

A quick electrical lesson. Wattage is directly proportional to heat or BTU's. If something is designed to work on 12 volts and you reduce the voltage to one half, 6 volts, you have reduced wattage not by one half but by one quarter. That is one quarter of the heat. So you can see reducing voltage even slightly is going to have a big effect on heat. Electric chokes designed to operate off the alternator run at a lower voltage then a lot of aftermarket carburators designed to run off 12 volts such as your Edelbrock. That's why it didn't work very well off the S terminal.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Problem with Steering Wander » 5/20/2020 6:31 PM

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Bearing Bob wrote:

Steve69 wrote:

  Have a 69 Mustang with a Unisteer rack that I installed  8 years ago. When driving the car  it Wanders.  Going over bumps is kind of scary at times.  The steering wheel will be completely straight and when I hit a bump the front tires go where they want to go. 

Is your front end lowered? When I lowered mine it put the angles of the control arms send steering arms out of whack for proper angles with little or no bump steer.




I measured and drew out the control arm and steering arm locations to determine how much of a drop the outer steering arm mount needed to be lowered for proper angles. This drawing is grim when I had a 2 inch Shelby drop. I've since changed it back to the normal 1 inch drop.



Some people don't like the bump steer studs on the steering arms due to the increased leverage in play. I don't experience any unwanted steering manners at low or high speeds, bumps or no bumps. I had it up to 133 mph the other day and it required little effort on the wheel.




Steve69 wrote:

Bearing Bob wrote:

My guess would be the rack is not positioned correctly. If the rack is not mounted in the right spot in height and also front to back, it will cause too much toe in and out over bumps and during acceleration and braking. Too much toe out causes an unstable feeling in the steering.

  There's two bolts that hold the cradle up where the old crossmember goes. Really no way of  having it in the wrong position. 
 

 
The bump steer stud might fix your problem, but I mentioned the rack mount because you have a rack and pinion. I've never used R&P

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Problem with Steering Wander » 5/20/2020 6:28 PM

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Bearing Bob wrote:

My guess would be the rack is not positioned correctly. If the rack is not mounted in the right spot in height and also front to back, it will cause too much toe in and out over bumps and during acceleration and braking. Too much toe out causes an unstable feeling in the steering.

What Bob said. There's actually quite a bit involved in designing steering linkage. There's Ackerman which is the inner wheel turning at a tighter radius then the outer wheel. It's basically a predetermined rate of toe out as the wheels turn. This rate is determined by the geometry of the drag link and angle of the tie rod arms. A rack is a completely different type of system and iti Ackerman is determined completely different then a drag link system. The angle of the tie rods are different to work with the racks geometry. For a rack to really work right on a drag link system it needs to work like a drag link with inner and outer tie rod ends placement as Bob said of the rack is very important as well.

What you can try is more caster and perhaps a bump steer kit. Both of these will lenghten the tie rod assembly so it'll have a more gradual arc and influence steering less on bumps

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Coilover Kit 71-73 mustang » 5/20/2020 6:15 PM

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RV6 wrote:

I may be wrong, but I don't think any of those kits are an improvement over the stock spring setup using a good set of shocks along with roller perches.

I agree 100%. To me these "coil over" kits are a buzz word. A true coil over offers improved motion ratio mounting the spring as close as possible to the spindle on the lower arm. This also allows for a longer shock that can hold more fluid, run cooler and have more finite control. Same goes with the spring. Longer spring, more control and comfort. I too have a regular spring and shock assembly with roller spring perches. My shocks are the custom valved Bilsteins that Street or Track sells. Very happy with my set up. Comfortable ride

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » New crazy project just because I could. Adjustable LCA » 5/14/2020 10:24 PM

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What I don't like about them being adjustable is that these cars aren't exactly precision built and throw in 50 years of use it's hjghly probable once you adjust camber you're going to end up with lower arms that are two different lengths. Camber curve is going to be different side to side as well as everything else as the suspension cycles. What adjustments you do to one side you must do to the other side and keep the arms the same. I have Street or Track control arms. Their uppers are adjustable but are adjusted the same. Then you shim to make caster equal. That's what they say in their instructions and what is said in suspension books

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » New crazy project just because I could. Adjustable LCA » 5/14/2020 10:14 PM

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lowercasesteve wrote:

Have you considered what the ride quality will be?  When I installed the TCP strut rods, I could feel every stone in the road, and the car creaked and groaned a lot to the point where I went back to stock.

With all of those solid joints,  Your car will handle a road course very well, but 2-tracking will be out of the question.

That's odd. My whole suspension is steel bearings, even the idler arm. Only if I specifically look for it do I notice anything. Otherwise it's a very compliant ride. No harshness or noise.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Am I right to be pissed off? (Exhaust Question) » 5/07/2020 10:52 AM

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I know what you're saying. That's the same basic formula as Ohms law. Here's my thought. Dual exhaust with 2.25" is more then sufficient. That's good to around 450-500 hp. The CSA area of two 2.25" pipe is the same as one 3" pipe. While in theory it should effect flow, you have more then enough area.

Hot Rod Magazine actually did a test on dinging and flattening header tubes for clearance. They literally took a 10 pound sledgehammer and beat the daylights out of the tubes including using the wedge side. It hardly effected power. Don't forget the hotter the exhaust gases, the smaller the pipe it needs.

With a 3" pipe I would imagine you could need a few flat spots for clearance. As long as it was done neatly it wouldn't bother me. I'd rather have that then from hitting the road. Besides even if it did effect performance it wouldn't be in everyday driving


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FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Fox Body Drive Shaft and WATER TRUNK LEAKING into my 68 FB Trunk!!!! » 5/03/2020 6:54 AM

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If you want a cheap excellent quality driveshaft you want one from a 94-01 Explorer 4 door 2WD. They are 50.5" long and typically use 1330 U joints. Mustangs many times use a 1310. You can get a 1330/1310 combination, they're pretty common. In my 66 Mustang I have a aluminum shaft out of a 94 V6 Explorer and that has 1310 joints. If you have a 9" you should measure your driveshaft. I believe they are slightly shorter and the Explorer may be too long.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Upper control arms mod on a mustang 71-73 » 5/02/2020 12:25 PM

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Nos681 wrote:

To add to the list of aftermarket control arms.
Pacific Thunder Performance makes nice control arms too.

https://www.pacificthunderperformance.com/

No offense but I'm not a fan of those arms. Here's why. Our cars were far from precision made. Add into this 50 years of road abuse, accident repairs and so on leaves the question how square and precise the front frame rails and sheet metal? Once you start to adjust camber with the turn buckles l can almost assure you will end up with lower arms are going to be different lengths side to side. This is going to effect toe changes and caster as the suspension cycles effecting how the car reacts. Heck if I spent good money on a set of performance control arms and they were different side to side from careless manufacturing I wouldn't accept that. Why should you accept that by adjusting?.

Yes sometimes you do have components different side to side. Good example is NASCAR. I'll stick to fixed control arms and make caster and camber adjustments with shims or fixed blocks or eccentrics. On the SoT arms yes you can adjust the rod ends for caster adjustments but it is clearly stated what you do for one side, you must do to the other making a mirror image.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Upper control arms mod on a mustang 71-73 » 5/02/2020 7:07 AM

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The advantages of aftermarket control arms besides that 3° of caster is that they are much stronger, won't flex or crack and they do crack usually at the holes for the perches. Another is a better ball joint angle. With the stock arm, lowering it the 1" for better handling puts the ball joint right at the end of it's travel. With a worn bump stop you could possibly break the ball joint.

I would suggest looking at the Street or Track control arms. Not that Global West doesn't make a great product, they do. What I don't like is their bushings on the upper arm. They are proprietary and if or when they need to be replaced you have to ship the arm to them. The other is that they use a 9/16" stud instead of the 1/2". If for any reason you had to put a stock arm or someone else's, down the road for what ever reason, you'll have to weld up the homes, redrill them or go back to the stock location. The other issue. On my Street or Track I added a couple shims for a little more caster and fine tune camber. Even though 67-73 didn't use shims, no reason why you couldn't for extra caster.

What sold be on the Street or Track are that every part can be replaced with off the shelf parts. They use rod ends instead of bushings and they are adjustable. They come pre set to 3° but you can adjust them for more. I added extra shims for a little more caster. Excellent quality too.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Spindles on 69 mustang » 4/30/2020 4:21 PM

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As been mentioned same spindles for 6 or 8 cylinder. The easy way do do a disc brake swap is to use a kit for 65-67 Mustang as they used the drum spindle with a cast bracket to mount the calipers. The calipers are very good 4 piston. Superior to the 68-73 single piston.

Yes some 6 cylinder cars had 5 lug. Those would have the 250 I6. Everything is V8 on them. They used the 8" rear axle, the 250 has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the SBF. Same with the transmissions, V8 spec.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Duraspark question » 4/28/2020 6:35 AM

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MS wrote:

Ohms Law says if voltage is halved, current amperage doubles.  Wrong?

If you keep wattage the same and cut the voltage in half, you need to double the amperage and you do that by cutting resistance in half. Instead of having two resistors in series with each dropping 6 volts, 12 volts total, now you put them in parallel. Each resistor will still see 6 volts. With the 2 resistors in parallel, total resistance is 1/2 which doubles amperage. 12 volts÷10 ohms= 1.2 amps. In the above series connection each resistor has 5 ohms which adds up to 10 ohms total. Putting those two 5 ohm resistors in parallel gives 2.5 ohms. 6 volts÷2.5 ohms= 2.4 amps, 12x1.2= 14.4 watts, 6x2.4= 14.4 watts.


If you keep resistance the same and reduce voltage in 1/2, amperage is reduced by 1/2. Example. 12 volts @ 10 amps is 120 watts. 6 volts at 5 amps is 30 watts

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Duraspark question » 4/27/2020 7:55 PM

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MS wrote:

Apparently, Duraspark ignitions all had 12 volt coils.
My recommendation is wire it for 12 volts and use a 12 volt coil. Hook up both the red and the white wire as intended.

The second wire that only receives power while cranking on a Duraspark is solely to provide (internally within the module) a retarded timing while cranking to make it start easier. It is NOT like the second wire on points systems that existed to provide 12 volts while cranking to get a hotter starting spark.

From what I have read in the past, with points systems, voltage drops from whatever reason caused points to burn up, so a more consistent current could be maintained if the voltage was lowered.  I am not an electrical engineer, but I know lower voltage requires higher current. That can damage contacts.  Someone else with more electrical knowledge can confirm, deny or ridicule...

The spark from the coil is produced when the circuit is opened. It's the sudden collapse of the magnetic field being cut by the copper winding. Just as you have a spark produced in the secondary winding you have a similar spark in the primary winding and across the open points. The purpose of the condenser is to conduct this voltage spoke to ground instead of across the points. It's that arc that pits the points.

For a given resistance, when you cut the voltage in half, you have reduced amperage in half. Wattage is voltage x amperage. So by reducing voltage in half, wattage or power is not one half but one forth. Cutting voltage across the points from 12 volts to 6 volts means the total power the points have to handle is substantially reduced.

My factory Ford coil on my factory Ford module calls for a ballast resistor. The Duraspark does not supply the coil with power but rather open and closes the ground side of the coil. This is typically done with electronics since they can "sink" or ground more power safely then they can supply or "source". Just like the points the electronics have to han

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Duraspark question » 4/25/2020 4:17 PM

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Rufus68 wrote:

I'm going to throw in my 2 cents regarding the resistor wire and if my understanding is wrong then I'd like to know the correct information as well.

The coils that Ford used to use years ago would get too hot when operated continuously using 12 volts.  And since the engines would run just fine with the coil powered by 6 volts, the engineers decided to put in a resistor wire to drop the voltage to not overheat the coils.  However, they found that the engines started much easier when the coil was powered by 12 volts so they added the "I" terminal to the starter solenoid to temporarily power the coil with the full 12 volts while cranking the engine. 

With this in mind, one should use a resistor to drop the voltage if and when they are using an old style coil that overheats from continuous 12 volt operation.  If the coil is made to operate on 12 volts, then 12 volts should be fed to it to produce the intended spark.

I'm going to disagree with that. It's no problem designing a coil to work on full 12 volts and not over heat. There is a lot involved in designing a coil. In a nut shell running a resistor in line to the coil allows for a nice advantage. You can get the needed spark at 6 volts. If you ran a 12 volt coil, when you crank the engine there is a big inrush of current to the starter. As a result battery voltage drops significantly. If you had a 12 volt coil, while cranking the engine battery voltage may be in the 6-8 volt range. That would result in a huge drop in spark quality. But running on 6 volts on a 12 volt system with a resistor when the starter is engaged, the resistor wire is bypassed and the coil now gets what ever the battery voltage is. So if the battery voltage drops to 6-8 volts, it's basically the same voltage the coil normally sees along with a hot spark.

Running a 6 volt coil on a full 12 volts may not increase spark output and just make the coil run hot. For a given resistance, doubling voltage quadruples the

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Duraspark question » 4/22/2020 3:44 PM

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Nos681 wrote:

If the Red grommet has this capability of burning better, why is the Blue grommet used for hot rod conversions?

Blue grommet uses the horseshoe connector type coil connector.

What kind of terminals are on the Red grommet coil?

The red grommet was primarily for CA cars. CA has tougher emissions standards and needed the ignition to be able to fire a lean mixture that the blue grommet couldn't. The only difference in appearance between the two is the color of the strip of plastic on the back side that holds the wires in place. Otherwise they are identical in every way. Connectors and all.

Since we're not worried about emissions and super lean fuel mixtures, the blue grommet will work well. I'm running a blue grommet and it works just fine. It starts much easier and seems to run smoother too

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » bolt in Sub frame connectors » 4/22/2020 3:37 PM

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Probably better off putting torque boxes in. They'll do more in torsional rigidity then subframe connectors. I put torque boxes in and can definitely feel a difference. No squeaks or rattles

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Duraspark question » 4/20/2020 9:25 PM

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Nos681 wrote:

From How To section:

I’ve been doing a little reading on Durasparks. As mentioned the blue module which refers to the color of the wire retainer in back. There is also a red module. The red module is a sophisticated version of the Duraspark that was designed for CA emissions to fire lean fuel mixtures the regular Duraspark couldn’t. It uses a full 12 volt coil and the module continually varies the dwell to keep the coil saturated all the time. Plugs are gapped at .060”.
I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom



Would the red module be more efficient/hotter spark?
Can it be replaced one for one and bypass resistor wire?
Any wiring changes required?

Correct. The red grommet directly interchanges. The only wiring change is bypassing the resistor wire to the coil with a full 12 volts.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » My fully OEM restored 68 FB is bouncy, squats and nose dives..... » 4/12/2020 9:34 AM

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With shocks you get what you pay for. I splurged for Bilstein Sports from Street or Track. Cheap no, worth every penny, absolutely!

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » T-5 install in a 66 Mustang » 4/01/2020 4:41 PM

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I would and I do. However if you're using a T5 bellhousing converted to Z bar, it's a unique situation. I understand there is a boot from one of the big Ford F series that actually fits. It's for something like a F500. I have one but I believe it's been discontinued. I never converted to T5, still have my much loved Toploader.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Carburetor Size » 4/01/2020 4:32 PM

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I've run both Edlebrock band Summit on my 66 Mustang. The Edlebrock is a 1405 600 which I bought used. The Seller highly recommend rebuilding it as it had been in his yard shed for a couple years. He took it off a Chevy truck he bought for a Holley. I ignored his advice and just bolted it on after checking the float bowls for junk. They were pretty clean. The carb ran great returning 17 mpg while beating on the car on a couple autocrossing events. Yes I did have some hard start after running. However after upgrading from points to Duraspark fixed that.

I had a 600 cfm Summit which I got a good deal on. Brand new in box never used. After sitting in a box brand new for many years I decided to try it. It's a very smooth good running carburator. It's a little apples to oranges comparing it to the Edelbrock since it was used and I never did anything to it. I haven't had time to really dial in the Summit since it was last fall before putting the car away. So comparing them with noted limitations the Summit seems a little smoother then the Edelbrock but the Edelbrock gave me the impression of running better on the upper end. The Summit seems like it falls off. Again spending time dialing in the Summit, maybe richer secondary jetting or vacuum spring may take care of that. Rebuilding the Edelbrock will probably make it drive smoother although it drove really well.

My summery as a Edelbrock fan, either or. Both are very good. It's six of one, half a dozen of another. You won't go wrong with either.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » What brand of tires are you running » 3/25/2020 5:28 AM

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Milestar 215/60/15. Made by Cooper and they're speed rated. I've been using Milestar tires for years. Inexpensive and seem to hold up quite well. I've been very happy with them in general.

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Another one bites the dust » 3/22/2020 11:41 AM

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red351 wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised that CJ's isn't circling the drain. They expanded into other things that was already over populated by vendors. They keep very little inventory on hand. Five yrs. ago you waited your turn in line for showroom parts counter. The last time I was the only one there. The place looked like ghost town in side, just one sales person.
They quit coming to Carlisle's spring and fall shows plus the big one Ford National's in June 5 yrs ago. There biggest problem is their back orders that takes a month or more to get. They sometimes will say it's in their Henderson NV. store. They have no real store there, it's S. Drake.

I stopped buying from them close to 10 years ago. Too many bad experiences with them. One case I ordered something over the phone only to find out right out it was on sale for internet orders. The salesman never said anything. Now if you go to any store if a item is on sale if you order it or if it's about to go on sale, they'll tell you. So I'm a little pissed seeing it on sale and never told. I call them up, speak to one of the owners. The owner says to me " why should we tell you it's on sale, I'd loose money". Oh wow, great customer service. I ordered a set of MAC headers to pick up at there tent at Carlisle. I go to the tent, they sold my headers to someone else! Now they're on back order. After weeks of waiting they get shipped to my house. It literally looked like they went scrounging around their shop to find bits and pieces to complete the order then dumped into a big box with nothing wrapped. Holes in the box, I'm amazed nothing got lost. So I'm looking at the headers. Wrong headers. They sent me Fox body headers. I call them up. They don't want to hear anything about them being wrong. They insist I have the right headers period. So I asked them if these are correct, why do they have O2 bungs? Their response, 66 Mustangs need them because they came with O2 sensors! I'm not making this up. I cancelled the

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Clutch question » 3/06/2020 6:25 AM

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6sally6 wrote:

^^^^^ That's what I have used ever since I switched to a roller block.  Heavy duty piece that uses two of the bell housing bolts to attach to the block. The pivot ball is a threaded piece that screws into that piece.  Made to work with a Z-bar set up.
6sally6

This ^^^^ Simple, cheap and easy

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Spring Perches » 1/17/2020 5:01 PM

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I'm running roller bearing spring perches, for that matter everything on my suggestion is roller bearing including the idler arm. Ford originally used a bronze bushings. That is the right way. Ford switched to rubber for one reason, it cost less then a bronze bushing. Roller bearing is typically not the choice for static loads. Honestly I was very suspicious and hesitant to use roller perches. I took the plunge and bought a set after a fair amount of investing. I couldn't find people with problems. When I found a listing for roller bearings for static loads is what changed it for me. Besides I thought they'd last longer then stock rubber bushings.

Everyone says a steel bearing is going to be noisy, have a harsh ride. Funny I haven't found any of that to be true. I've found it to provide a supple, compliant ride that just seems to glide over bumps and pot holes. The only time I notice anything is if I specifically look or pay attention for it. Then it's more like a set of low profile tires. What I did see coming was how much binding there is with rubber bushings. They simply do not want to rotate freely. They store up energy and snap the suspension back. That feeling is gone with bearings. Without this binding it kills spring rate. I've actually had to increase spring rate substantially just to keep the suspension from bottoming out in normal driving

So to answer your question. Don't fear them from a comfort or life expectancy. They'll probably be the last set you buy and your car will ride much better and just as quietly

FYI Ford, Classic Mustang Tech Discussion » Carb'd 351w swap to FI 302 H.O. - Will I be disappointed? » 1/16/2020 7:27 PM

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The 5.0 Cobras were 240 hp. The exhaust rotators are a non issue. The fix is simple and cheap. Specific keepers are made that allow the use of regular retainer and spring. That's what I'm using along with .540" springs. I don't buy into that argument aluminum allowing a full point more. I say the reason aluminum heads can use run more compression is due to superior combustion chamber design. David Frieburger of Hot rod question that argument as well. He took a SBC with 2 sets of World Product heads that were identical in every way, port, valve and combination chamber and design. What David found out is that both heads made exactly the same power and liked the same timing. Cast iron is a excellent conductor of heat. Is his argument true? Is the statement aluminum heads due to material allow higher compression true?

Going to aluminum heads you also need to factor in hardened pushrods, roller rocker arms, good exhaust and matching intake. What about a camshaft? Otherwise you're choking off your investment. All extra money.

My whole point of the GT40/P heads was simply to compliment his current stock 5.0 cheaply for minimal expense.

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